British missiles in Ukraine

securespark · Thursday at 12:50 AM

The way I see it is that he announced to the world he was going to do WTF he fancied and "you will not stop me".

We have pretty much allowed him to carry on as he pleases. We have to intervene now and help as much as possible, otherwise he will get the idea that he can do what he likes. He has to be taken down a peg or two.

As for pushing the button, he wouldn't dare. He knows that would be the end of everything and he loves himself too much to do that.

He was a bully as a child and nothing has changed. We need to stand up to him.

ellal · Thursday at 1:17 AM

securespark said:
As for pushing the button, he wouldn't dare. He knows that would be the end of everything and he loves himself too much to do that.

Unfortunately so many of the countries of the world are run by old men who are close to their 'expire by date', and thus they don't really care...

Whether they be dictatorships, or so called 'leaders of the free world'...

So poo tin or the tango idiot or the middle east genocidal maniacs might just think at some point 'what the f*ck', let's just do it'...

Because what is clear is at the moment they are happy to see countless numbers of mostly innocent people slaughtered in their names, and yet they know they will be are unaccountable for that!

ReganAndCarter · Thursday at 3:04 AM

Notch7 said:
Grow up

Hit a nerve?

Notch7 · Thursday at 6:46 AM

ReganAndCarter said:
Hit a nerve?

I’m so bored of these foolish conspiracy theorists

Notch7 · Thursday at 7:12 AM

Hairymelon said:
What he says is factually accurate

It is not

Jeffrey Sachs says: “The bloodshed was caused by long-standing Western “arrogance” and NATO expansion, the economist has said”

Firstly that’s an opinion, not fact.

And it is not true.

The countries that have joined NATO are all sovereign democracies who asked to join. They have a right to do that.
HairyMelon, I bet you voted for Brexit go “take back sovereignty”…..yet you support the argument that other countries don’t have that a right to sovereignty.

Jeffrey Sachs falsely claims that Putins invasion of Ukraine is due to the West. Putin invaded Ukraine, nobody forced him, Russia was facing no existential threat from Ukraine or the West.

If NATO and the West had supported Ukraine fully back in 2021 and 2022 Putin wouldn’t have invaded….had we provided a strong defence instead of trickle feeding weapons, the bloodshed would’ve ended sooner.

HairyMelon is a Russian apologist

gas112 · Thursday at 7:42 AM

trickle feeding weapons , UK germany , US , France ammunition stockpiles at an all time low in some cases less than 2 weeks worth because of how much has been given to ukraine

Nwgs2 · Thursday at 7:45 AM

Notch7 said:
I’m so bored of these foolish conspiracy theorists

Liar

Notch7 · Thursday at 7:55 AM

gas112 said:
trickle feeding weapons , UK germany , US , France ammunition stockpiles at an all time low in some cases less than 2 weeks worth because of how much has been given to ukraine

I said weapons not artillery

If Ukraine had been given all the weapons like long range missiles, tanks, drones, defence systems back in 2022, Russian wouldn’t have been able to spend 6 months building defences…..and the war wouldn’t have turned into a war of attrition.

By the way Russia has run out of stockpiles, it’s rate of artillery is now set by its manufacture rate…..why do you think it’s been desperately buying from Iran and NK.

gas112 · Thursday at 8:16 AM

Notch7 said:
I said weapons not artillery

If Ukraine had been given all the weapons like long range missiles, tanks, drones, defence systems back in 2022, Russian wouldn’t have been able to spend 6 months building defences…..and the war wouldn’t have turned into a war of attrition.

By the way Russia has run out of stockpiles, it’s rate of artillery is now set by its manufacture rate…..why do you think it’s been desperately buying from Iran and NK.

its not like the second world war were production can be stepped up and weapons built within hours on a production line some of these modern missles etc take months to build america is going to take 5 plus years to get their stocks back up .
You cannot /should not supply weapons that then leave your own defence in a perilous position .
As for the tanks one of the so called best tanks in the world the abrams the far superior russian weapons have decimated them and the few they have left they are holding back now .
Defence systems you mean the ones that were shown up overwhelmed by cheap rockets in Israel , hyper sonics got through 3 levels of defence and hit their targets

Notch7 · Thursday at 8:39 AM

gas112 said:
its not like the second world war were production can be stepped up and weapons built within hours on a production line some of these modern missles etc take months to build america is going to take 5 plus years to get their stocks back up

but the West isnt supplying latest NATO technology

most of the artillery is basic 155mm shells, which the West dont really need -America has stepped up production of them

I agree the war is using a of weapons systems and artillery...........which is why I said we shouldve gone in hard on day 1.

in any case NATO military strategy is built on air superiority and long range missiles -Ukraine doesnt the former and has been denied the latter

gas112 said:
You cannot /should not supply weapons that then leave your own defence in a perilous position

we arent

see above

gas112 said:
As for the tanks one of the so called best tanks in the world the abrams the far superior russian weapons have decimated them and the few they have left they are holding back now .

Only 31 Abrams tanks have been sent and they are the M1A1 models made around 40 years ago..........oddly enough the battlefield is changing with drones surveillance and hunter kill drones

Russia doesnt have "far superior weapons" its just a simple fact of warfare that tanks are only strategically effective with air support.

gas112 said:
Defence systems you mean the ones that were shown up overwhelmed by cheap rockets in Israel , hyper sonics got through 3 levels of defence and hit their targets

the American Patriot defence system used in Ukraine is extremely effective.

the patriot can operate at various levels of sophistication in terms or software, hardware and training, the levels are between around 5 and 16, Ukraine have managed to get the system up to around a level 9 or 10, so its not even operating at max.

gas112 · Thursday at 8:43 AM

yeah the russians are struggling that much with inferior weapons that the west is basically leaving itself defenseless for a war lasting more than a few weeks

Odds · Thursday at 9:09 AM

Ukraine’s military has claimed that overnight Russia launched an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) for the first time during the war. Ukraine’s air force said the launch took place from the Astrakhan region of the Russian Federation, an area to the south-east of Vologograd, which borders on the Caspian Sea.

If that's verified it signals a significant escalation in the war so far...sending missiles to hit Russian cities will have marked consequences and lead to an inevitable escalation. I don't think the UK can afford it, considering how much the Chancellor is borrowing to update our public services.

IT Minion · Thursday at 9:38 AM

Any tank or armoured vehicle can be destroyed by, for example, a close or direct 155mm artillery shell. But how close it has to be to destroy the vehicle and how many of the crew survive is very important.

Russian kit is crap. They have lots of it but they are far less survivable than old NATO kit, let alone modern stuff.

Ukrainian troops have used both, I don't think there's any that have said they prefer the USSR kit.

carmanmemoranda · Thursday at 9:38 AM

Odds said:
If that's verified it signals a significant escalation in the war so far...sending missiles to hit Russian cities will have marked consequences and lead to an inevitable escalation. I don't think the UK can afford it, considering how much the Chancellor is borrowing to update our public services.

We can't really

But what price might we pay if we don't support Ukraine.

ellal · Thursday at 10:02 AM

gas112 said:
yeah the russians are struggling that much with inferior weapons that the west is basically leaving itself defenseless for a war lasting more than a few weeks

Interestingly most in the west originally thought Ukraine would only last days....

Meanwhile the old men running china are chomping at the bit to step in when they decide to go for Taiwan...

And the people running the military industrial complex now believe more than ever that every day is christmas day!

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