1960 pan connector replacement

[motorbiking]

I'm trying to decide the best option to replace this downstairs loo. Is it possible to fit a swan neck or P-Pan connector to this old Iron? waste pipe. My understanding is that this is filled with hemp and fine cement. Is it possible grind it off flush with the floor, add UPVC insert and insert some sort of swan connector? e.g.

https://www.toolstation.com/swan-neck-pan-connector/p23824?

I'd like to get it as close to the wall aa possible as if I build it out, with a hidden cistern, the door will likely hit the loo.

 

[Deleted member 267285]

Swan neck connector won’t get over that hurdle, you’d need a back to wall pan, with a bottom outlet.

 

[motorbiking]

thanks they all seem to look similar to the one I'm trying to remove and I still have the large cement ring which is about 9" by 3" proud. I'm wondering if I should get someone in to dig it out.

 

[JohnD]

there are pans that will fit.

First job is to measure the distance between the wall (not the skirting) and the centre of the socket in the floor.

Presumably the floor is concrete?

i could be wrong but I think the socket is a brown glazed clay pipe, and the mortar is infill.

 

[jeff the gasman]

https://www.qssupplies.co.uk/bathroom-furniture-shower-taps/117078.htm

 

[Deleted member 267285]

The cement collar will break, probably when removing the pan. What you need to be careful of is damaging the drain collar itself. Once all cement out, you can use a couple of multikwiks if needed or a McAlpine DC1-BL.

 

[motorbiking]

there are pans that will fit.

First job is to measure the distance between the wall (not the skirting) and the centre of the socket in the floor.

Presumably the floor is concrete?

i could be wrong but I think the socket is a brown glazed clay pipe, and the mortar is infill.

Assuming these were imperial

10" to centre from wall
The socket could be clay it has a 7" "cup" which seems to narrow at the base, the pan connector seems to be about 4.5" diameter

 

[JohnD]

Assuming these were imperial

10" to centre from wall
The socket could be clay it has a 7" "cup" which seems to narrow at the base, the pan connector seems to be about 4.5" diameter

mine is similar

I fitted a Twyfords E100 BO, which is nominally 230mm hole centre to wall (you can make fine adjustment by chipping off plaster or adding a spacer behind the cistern. If you use the rubber socket adaptor it has a little bit of movement.

Flush is very good.

There are various BO pans, such as Alcona, but the distance wall to pipe varies.

Some Twyfords E100 are being rebranded Geberit Selnova, following a takeover a few years ago.

BO WC pans are not very common so you may have to look for stock. I got mine from QS at a good price but I'm not sure they still have it.

The is an HO version, more common, but not what you need.


You want the Round, not the Square.
There is a Standard version, and an improved (edit) Premium, which has an easy-clean smooth skirt round the base.

HO is horizontal outlet
BO is bottom outlet

i can't seem to find the technical drawing, but see

https://www.twyfordbathrooms.com/pr...nd-close-coupled-premium-toilet-pan-bo/12221/

E11145WH is the part no for the Standard BO, I have the Premium one, Product code E11248WH

p.s.
I chose it because projection from wall is quite short, I see @jeff the gasman example is similar size.

 

[JohnD]

drawing

right hand side, middle pic

 

[JohnD]

and this is a pic of the E100 premium showing the smooth skirt

https://www.twyfordbathrooms.com/pr...coupled-premium-toilet-pan-ho-flushwise/8960/

 

[jeff the gasman]

You can use a 1” offset pan connector in the drain to finely tune the centre if needed.

 

[motorbiking]

and this is a pic of the E100 premium showing the smooth skirt

View attachment 240126

https://www.twyfordbathrooms.com/pr...coupled-premium-toilet-pan-ho-flushwise/8960/

Slightly confused how I get this around the 7" clay/iron base which protrudes 2-3"? Or do I grind that flush?

 

[JohnD]

I'll measure the size of the skirt if I remember.

i think mine goes into a plastic socket

 

[motorbiking]

You can use a 1” offset pan connector in the drain to finely tune the centre if needed.

that gets me from 9" to 10" so would be perfect. Do I still use fine cement to seal it or is it or are the fins good enough?

 

[jeff the gasman]

that gets me from 9" to 10" so would be perfect. Do I still use fine cement to seal it or is it or are the fins good enough?

The fins are tight and difficult to get in sometimes but create a good seal.
Lubricator the pan spigot too.