2 Lights from 1 Ceiling Rose

[sparkymonkey]

I have two lights in my hallway on a two way circuit. I want to fit a third light by connecting it to one of the roses and run a cable off to the side into an alcove off the hall way to a new light pendent (distance about 3 feet).

See this diagram:

The wires going down lead to the existing pendent, can I connect to the same terminals as the existing pendent?

 

[wingcoax]

In a word YES.

 

[sparkymonkey]

Thanks

 

[OwainDIYer]

yes, but you will need to connect the earth as well.

 

[sparkymonkey]

I can see where to connect the earth at the rose but, if the new light dosent require it, what do I do with the earth at the pendent end?

 

[OwainDIYer]

It's permitted to have a two-core flex from the rose to the pendant, if the pendant is double-insulated, but the fixed wiring from the existing to the new rose must have an earth (cpc) conductor connected.

 

[sparkymonkey]

I wasnt going to fit a new rose, I just wanted to run a cable to a pendent. I want to have two pendents from one rose, one will have a longer cable than the other.

I was going to make it look like there's a rose there by attaching a cover to the ceiling and running the cable through it.

Is this the right/safe way to do it?

 

[sparkymonkey]

Also, the ceiling is made of solid concrete so theres no chance of chasing the cables or sinking a new fitting into the ceiling.

 

[OwainDIYer]

You must not supply two flexes from a rose unless the rose is intended for it.

You can probably mount an MK 2051 base between the ceiling and the existing rose. That will give you an outlet for surface trunking which you can run on the ceiling to a new ceiling rose, also fixed to the ceiling using an MK 2051 base. Run twin and earth cable from the existing to the new rose and fit a pendant to the new rose as desired.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MK2051.html

The Ashley ceiling rose base might be a better fit

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/ASMB2.html

plastic conduit boxes and bases are an alternative but I don't think will be any neater.

 

[SpannerMonkey]

Thanks but where should i connect the new cable in the existing rose? Which terminals?

 

[wingcoax]

If you want the new light to come on with the others then connect to the terminals with the existing pendant.Not forgetting the earth wire. If no terminal for this then sleeve G/Y and either tuck back or fit a small chocblock.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

The wires going down lead to the existing pendent, can I connect to the same terminals as the existing pendent?

In a word YES.

Thanks but where should i connect the new cable in the existing rose? Which terminals?

 

[sparkymonkey]

OK, when I first asked I said can I connect two pendents to one rose the answer was yes but then OwainDIYer said "You must not supply two flexes from a rose unless the rose is intended for it."

So why is it OK to connect a new rose up to these terminals but not a new pendent?

 

[OwainDIYer]

OK, when I first asked I said can I connect two pendents to one rose the answer was yes but then OwainDIYer said "You must not supply two flexes from a rose unless the rose is intended for it."

So why is it OK to connect a new rose up to these terminals but not a new pendent?

because the hole in the rose cover and the strain relief hooks, and the physical construction of the rose, is only designed for use with one flex.

You can wire another light to the rose but it must be done in cable and through the back of the rose. Or through the side of a mounting pattress as you have solid ceilings.

The Regulation in the 16th Ed was reg 559.6.1.3 - ceiling roses unless specifically designed for multiple pendants should only supply one pendant. I don't have a 17th Ed to hand.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I have two lights in my hallway on a two way circuit. I want to fit a third light by connecting it to one of the roses and run a cable off to the side into an alcove off the hall way to a new light pendent (distance about 3 feet).

that is what you asked first.

Connect wires and run 3 feet to new pendant, which is ok.

Then you said -

I wasnt going to fit a new rose, I just wanted to run a cable to a pendent. I want to have two pendents from one rose, one will have a longer cable than the other.

which isn't.