BACK BOILER CONDEMNED - WHICH COMBI?????

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I have to get a new boiler and have little funds!!!! The chap that is going to fit is is suggesting an IDEAL boiler - he has one in his flat. Is this a good boiler? I dont want to be having to repalce it in a couple of years time . Any advise would be appreciated.

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The plumber said that I should get one. The back boiler was so old and the flame was glowing yellow - he was not happy about it. The fire front is vile too, would like a smooth wall!!
My sister has a combi and she likes hers - I know nothing of boilers is there a choice!!
 
yes. I presume you have a hot water cylinder. You can have a modern condensing boiler that will heat a cylinder. It will be smaller than a combi, and will be less complicated, so less to go wrong.

Or you can have a combi if for some reason you prefer it.
 
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I have no idea what is best! Seems every one has combis. Had another plumber round he said to have a combi too - i have not been offered an alternative. I shall do a little more research me thinks. Thank you.
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if you have a small home, and only ever likely to have one person running a tap at any one time, a combi can be OK. If one person is having a shower and somebody else flushes a WC or runs a hot or a cold tap, the flow will reduce.

A combi will probably take a lot longer to fill a bath.

Ask around friends and neighbours to try to find a good local installer, who must ge gas-safe registered. As the warmer weather comes you should see special offers. Your gas or electricity company probably has some deals, they are usually expensive but worth asking.
 
Combi's seem to be recommended a lot, possibly due to the fact they are easier to install, but are not necessarily suitable for everyone. Smaller combi's may struggle to fill a bath, and most will not feed two hot outlets at once. (If someone is showering then turning the sink tap on to wash up may affect the shower...) Most installers have their preferred boiler manufacturer, but as with most things you pay for what you get. General consensus on this forum is Ideal's can be pretty poor, however any boiler will fail if badly installed onto a dirty system.

New back boilers are available, c/w an electric fire front, however like any new boiler, they need a means of draining the condensate discharge to outside. (Can be pumped, depending on layout of property etc.) Alternatively, there are boilers which will work with your existing system, some alterations to the pipework would be necessary, but would allow retention of the hot water cylinder if preferred. As John has said, combi's have more to go wrong, so bear in mind if a combi breaks down, you lose heating and hot water, whereas if a cylinder is used then an immersion heater can be fitted to provide backup for hot water in the event of a boiler breakdown, and an electric fire would heat a room if necessary.
 
Little surprised you 'heating' guy could not fix yellow flame on a back boiler. You will NOT get a simpler boiler that is belt and braces job. By all means go for a modern boiler- you will then save fuel but will be poorer as modern boilers are more complicated, more difficult to fix, more parts to repair to list a few niggles

My advice would be stay away fom a combi boiler, and get your back boiler serviced ( properly perhaps not by h same person) and instal sensible controls to give you additional saving in fuel ;)
 
If you do get a new boiler, try very hard to have it in the kitchen, where there will probably already be a gas pipe, but most importantly, an internal drain for the sink, where the condensed water from the boiler can go.

Having condensate pipes on the outside of the house is a recipe for disaster, as they are prone to freeze in unusually cold weather, which is the exact time you don't want your boiler to stop working.
 
OP, get as many quotes as you feel you need to get a decent price. You are right, a little research of your own would be a good idea. There are a lot of combi boilers out there now with a 5 year warranty. Including some of the cheaper ones. Unfortunately the same can't be said for system and heat only boilers. 2 year warranty is the norm for these, although Vaillant have some with longer warranties. Clearly the Vaillants are more expensive though.
 
My back boiler has been written off for years! But strangely there are still brand new parts available when you need them. Back boilers are more efficient on gas and a little bit safer.
But to get back the costs of a brand new installation, including all labour and parts will take ages set against saved fuel!? A Baxi back boiler is the simplest thing to mend, if your plumber can't fix it I would not trust him fitting a very complicated combi boiler?? :confused:
 
Certainly not more efficient but definitely more end user friendly. With this setup it is not a total disaster as it is with a combi
 
We have electric shower - I prefer showers - we are water metered so we dont have many baths!!
I am getting new rads as I see a boiler is an investement and to run old black gunk through it may void my manufacturers guarentee! The house is approx 65 years old - ex local authority and I think this is the only boilder it has ever had!!! Can have rad "flushed out" but to be honest and extra £200.00 I can go to wickes and get new rads!!

Out back bolier also has "rope" stuff that is asbestos - so probably needs to go any way!! A mate told me to sell my own cylinder as it is sopper and can be worth a bit too!!

I have read and will take heed - not booked the guy yet - said I wouold think over weekend.
 

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