Badgers/cows and TB

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2500 cases of bovine TB, Government answer kull upto 80% of badger population :eek:

Now this has got me thinking.

Farmers having a rough time recently TB, Foot`n`mouth, blue tongue, floods and an influx of migrant pickers.

Poor Mr Badger only needs vacinating surely.


Free for all the next full moon for men with dogs and spades :eek:
 
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VACCINATION??? this is Dethra you're talking about, they only KILL!!!!

Have you read www.warmwell.com? well you should, all the way back to August. No chance of a vaccine, as they've removed the license from Pirbright, where they could produce the FMD and bluetongue vaccines so what chance TB?

It's not even certain Mr Badger is the vector, deer carry it too.

It's Sir David King who has made the TB pronouncement. Go here and look for Oct 8 2007.

You will find
Oct 8 2007 ~ While Professor King may be an international expert in many, many things it is a tragedy for the UK that he has been directing policy on Foot and Mouth ..

about which he has displayed such distressing ignorance. He has continued to defend both the contiguous cull and the failure to use vaccination in 2001. He even went so far as to say that the on-site rapid portable diagnostic kit turned down in 2001- (it performed extremely well in Uruguay in 2001, similar devices are now used in many countries, and a prototype of a "next generation" device intended for point of need PCR testing across all of animal and plant agriculture and the food industry will be demonstrated in Brussels next week) was "not capable of being validated" (Radio 4 transcript) This small selection of the many warmwell files on the subject of Prof King's bizarre pronouncements from the past 6 years includes a quotation from Jason Groves, London editor of the WMN from 24 January 2005

Where you can pick up several referred pages for further details. From the last reference you could find this snippet about Killer King

January 16 - 22 2005 ~ Sir David King is still trying to justify " the scientific rationale for the ruthless culling of livestock" and saying that " Britain had no choice but to kill and burn or bury thousands (sic) of animals"

Independent
"... Sir David provided the scientific rationale for the ruthless culling of livestock on affected farms and ones with common boundaries. It was, and still is, a deeply unpopular decision, especially when some commentators were calling for vaccination rather than slaughter. Even today there are those who say the Government should have used vaccines rather than culling, a strategy vehemently defended by Sir David who insists many people still do not understand why Britain had no choice but to kill and burn or bury thousands of animals. "The option to vaccinate but not to subsequently kill the animals was actually not with us," Sir David says. "The Dutch government used vaccination and we did not; as a result the Dutch government had to slaughter vaccinated animals subsequently before they could begin exporting again."This is both misleading and wrong.
The Dutch government chose to slaughter its vaccinates - against the wishes of the farmers and of the population who protested in their thousands. On the 23 March they were granted suppressive vaccination (where slaughter would follow) in a 2 km area round confirmed outbreaks. But on 3 April they obtained permission for protective vaccination in addition. The farmers, many of them dairy farmers, were led to believe their animals would be allowed to live and thus agreed to the protective vaccination area being much wider than was truly necessary for control of the disease. After vaccination was completed, their Government changed its mind and insisted on slaughtering the animals in a bid to qualify for normal trading after three months. Dr Frits Pluimers CVO of the Netherlands made an impassioned speech at the Brussels conference of 2001, stating that he could not in the future ignore the will of the Dutch people - and that protective vaccination would certainly be used should they be unfortunate enough to have another outbreak; they would never again follow a policy that slaughtered vaccinated animals, proved by tests to be uninfected. ( See also this transcript of an interview in 2001 in which Prof King told the Today Programme " what I was happy to achieve in the FMD outbreak was showing that science in real time could provide a sound basis for policy advice" )
The late Fred Brown called Britain's handling of the disease "a disgrace to humanity". Magnus Linklater spoke for many when he agreed.



Also remember Gordon Brown has been presiding over the finances for this whole period.

Now let's get started on the Badger Recipes book.
 
I agree, poor badgers. It is most certainly not a given that they are to blame, but by the time they realise that, it'll be too late. :cry:
 
I agree, poor badgers. It is most certainly not a given that they are to blame, but by the time they realise that, it'll be too late. :cry:
Your right its not a ''given'' they have been changing their minds about it for years, most of these things we later find that the farmers brought it on themselves like mad cow, feeding cows with the leftovers from slaughter houses to save money, grants, where the hell are they all coming from? Now we are being told that we are not paying enough for our food and its probably true, so....um! lets pay more then, go into the shops and tell the check-out ''this is too cheap, I won't to pay more'' well we are being told that the Bee's are in decline and birds etc cos the hedgerows are being cut, grubbed out for bigger machines and sprayed with poison weed killer, then we're being told that the farmers are looking after the countryside for us, but really they've drove up to London in their range rovers to complain about the price of petrol even tho their running on derv.
''diversification'' thats the word they hate most of all.
no I don't have a problem with farmers, some of my best friends are. :LOL:
 
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How do we know its not cattle spreading tb amongst the badger poulation.
 
Maybe your suggestion is not so far out.

........This sudden upsurge in 2003 mirrors that which occurred all over the country in the wake of FMD. This followed Defra's stupendously foolish decision to allow the movement of untested livestock for restocking, which the NFU claimed as a "victory". The buying-in of TB infected cattle led to a huge rise in the distribution of TB infection right across Britain and an explosion of new cases. For thousands of farmers, it proved to be a pyrrhic victory. ..........

Full text here.

Well done DEFRA (Department for the Elimination of Farming and Rural Affairs).
 
Badgers make REALLY good quality shaving brushes so every cloud has a silver lining :LOL:
 
That's why badgers are nocturnal ... If they came out during the day they'd get made into shaving brushes ;)
 
Theres a set 200yards from my back garden and I aint seen any of the residents coughing.

Come to think of it I aint seen a cow cough either, could be a DEFRA ploy to go on a trigger happy spree :eek: :eek:
 
Theres a set 200yards from my back garden and I aint seen any of the residents coughing.

Come to think of it I aint seen a cow cough either, could be a DEFRA ploy to go on a trigger happy spree :eek: :eek:
Is Defra the police armed force in disguise?
 
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