Can I test the ring

[gerren]

HI am a newbe.

I have just pasd my part P level B.

I have just installed 2 shaver sockest on the lighting ring and when I came to test my work I found that the was no earth on any of the light or switches not even back to the fuse bourd. What should I do I.E. how do I test my work with no earth on the ring? or do I tell the client he needs a rewire on the lights,

Thanks for any help on this

 

[RF Lighting]

The only tests you could carry out would be insulation resistance and polarity. Does the cable actually contain an earth wire that is not connected or is the cable just twin with no earth wire? Either way you shaver points definatly need an earth connecting somehow. How old is the installation? Is the bonding up to scratch?

The lighting will not be on a ring. It will be a radial.
What do you mean by "passed your part p level b"?
I'm not sure you should be carrying out electrical work for customers if you are having to come and ask for advice on a straight forward problem.

Rob

p.s. try the spell check button next time. (bottom right of where you write your posts)

 

[securespark]

I have just installed 2 shaver sockest on the lighting ring and when I came to test my work I found that the was no earth on any of the light or switches not even back to the fuse bourd.

You mean you made an addition to a circuit without checking that the circuit was sound?

The regulations require you to make sure earthing arrangements are adequate before making any alterations or additions.

 

[gerren]

OK the cable is faze and neutral there is no earth at all.
I have of course brought the two bathrooms’ to the same potential.
The install is 1960.

(What do you mean by "passed your part p level b"?)
VRQ Level 2 Domestic Installers Certificate, there are three levels
A, Miner works only
B, Any electrical work in support of their main trade.
C, Do any electrical work.

There is some EEBADS in place but as the is none on the lighting radial do I point this out to the customer and suggest that he gets a fully qualified electrisation in to rewire the lighting radial as with my qualification I am not allowed to do this. Would NAPIT accept just an insulation resistance and polarity test?

 

[plugwash]

you shouldn't have touched the circuit at all without checking earthing was adequate first. Did they not teach you this?!

your kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If you put in the notification in its present state you'll be admitting that you screwed up. If you don't then that will be a violation in itself.

 

[Pensdown]

Gerren,

This is the first time I've met someone who's done the Part p a,b&c so forgive me but I would love to pick your brains.

Well done you've passed the B. What is your main trade and what are your back ground qualification?

How long was the B course and how long is the C course?

What is classed as "minor works" under the A qualification and does this include works in special locations?

How much detail did the course go into re BS 7671?

What sot of test certificates do you issue to the customer (a scanned sample would be great )

I hope this is not classed as high jacking

One of the reasons I ask is plugwash was right to ask this basic question

 

[totallyspies]

OK the cable is faze and neutral there is no earth at all.
I have of course brought the two bathrooms’ to the same potential.

Of course, one would.

(What do you mean by "passed your part p level b"?)
VRQ Level 2 Domestic Installers Certificate, there are three levels
A, Miner works only
B, Any electrical work in support of their main trade.
C, Do any electrical work.


There is some EEBADS in place but as the is none on the lighting radial do I point this out to the customer and suggest that he gets a fully qualified electrisation

Not if you're anything to go by!


A,B,and c are not only in the wrong order but the descritions are totally wrong to. LMAO

Some EEBADS? I'll have a pint of EEBADS please.

He doesnt seem fazed by it.

If this is indicitve of the level of intelligence required to pass VRQ and work on domestic installations, then god help us!

 

[securespark]

If this is indicitve of the level of intelligence required to pass VRQ and work on domestic installations, then god help us!

Yes, I was right. Thanks for confirming it for me.

You do try and get your kicks by winding people up.

Talking of intelligence, go back to school and learn how to spell before attempting to slag someone off for being unintelligent.

 

[Adam_151]

It is however slightly worrying that someone who doesn't really appear to know what they are doing is allowed to do such work for hire and reward...

No offence to the OP, its a failing of the system, I fully beleive most people can do electrics given the right training, pitched at the right level and pace, what you cannot do is just get a person at random and teach them in a matter of days everything they need to do to be competant.

 

[Lectrician]

http://www.armedforces.co.uk/releases/raq419b53bdb1eb1

If this is the state of their work rig, or the quality of work being turned out - got help every one of us, and any customers subjected to the shoddy work!




Gerren - When you extended the circuit, where did you connect the earth of your new cabling to?? Was there already a T+E installed which you assumed has connected to earth?? Or did you stand there with the new earth in your hand, and an earthless cable in a JB, staring at it scratching your head??




Does this course teach you anything about testing and certing your work?? Can't do a lot in 5 days.........5 full days??

 

[securespark]

there is no earth at all.
I have of course brought the two bathrooms’ to the same potential.

How can this be, when there are no cpc's in the circuits supplying that room to connect the supplementary bonding conductors to?

 

[totallyspies]

If this is indicitve of the level of intelligence required to pass VRQ and work on domestic installations, then god help us!

Yes, I was right. Thanks for confirming it for me.

My pleasure.

You do try and get your kicks by winding people up.

Sometimes yes. You just figured that out have you?

Talking of intelligence, go back to school

They wouldn't accept me , i'm 40 years old!

and learn how to spell before attempting to slag someone off for being unintelligent.

I think you mean spell correctly?

Clearly you are wound up, as the only thing you could use in your response was one slightly incorrect spelling and you chose to use that as your point to justify yourself.

Now that is immature

 

[totallyspies]

It is however slightly worrying that someone who doesn't really appear to know what they are doing is allowed to do such work for hire and reward...

No offence to the OP, its a failing of the system, I fully beleive most people can do electrics given the right training, pitched at the right level and pace, what you cannot do is just get a person at random and teach them in a matter of days everything they need to do to be competant.

Summed up brilliantly Adam.

 

[Har_vey]

I have just installed 2 shaver sockest on the lighting ring and when I came to test my work I found that the was no earth on any of the light or switches not even back to the fuse bourd. What should I do I.E. how do I test my work with no earth on the ring? or do I tell the client he needs a rewire on the lights,

gerren.

Given what you have said, you should explain to your customer that you can't connect the new shaver points, as their existing installation falls below the standard that is required to carry out the required testing procedure, and complete the relevant certificate. You could use the fact that your main trade is (?? bathroom fitter ??) and you are not set up to do anything other than very basic wiring.

I'm assuming you haven't made the connection, but if you have then disconnect your work before you start your explanation.

Then maybe you should call the registration body you are a member of and ask if (a) they can recommend someone, and (b) have their area supervisor reassess what you should be doing? I expect they can recommend some further training for you.

 

[baldelectrician]

On reading this post I am glad I live in Scotland.

To do works that require building control approval you NEED to prove competence, or have your work passed by a NICEIC, SELECT, company or someone else with UKAS accreditation.

Part P does not exist here if this is the level of competence people in part P schemes are happy with I am glad of this.

Up here it'e the full monty (electrician with NIC, SELECT, UKAS etc), no two week wonder course.