Central Heating Problem

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Hi guys any advise would be great on the following problem.

My current system, i have a Myson Apollo Fanfare Boiler, which is mounted in the kitchen, the pressure guage is above the boiler. Underneath the boiler in a cupboard, which holds an expansion tank, and a euroman pump.
There are 4 radiators in the flat, closest being the kitchen, next living room, then bathroom and finally the bedroom.

I noticed that the living room radiator was cold on top and hot on bottom, and the bathroom one was stone cold. Bedroom and kitchen were ok.

After speaking to some folk, they advised to bleed air out the two radiators. I heated up the system for 30 mins or so then I turned the CH off at power switch and proceed to do this. The living room radiator let air out then some water after short time, which was rougly what i was told would happen. I went to do the bathroom one and this seemed to just let air out for ages.

Checked pressure gauge noticed it was 0 bar, next to the expansion tank there is a black lever, which is between the mains water (so i take it the name for this is the drain cock) i opened this, then on the expansion tank i turned a cap round until i heard a sound like water, checked the pressure gauge and noticed the pressure rising, left it at 1.5 bar as per manual, i closed the drain cock and fully closed the cap on the expansion vessel (is that correct??)

Turned the heating on, after 20 mins the pressure neddle started going mental and the weird noises came from the boiler, it eventually shut down.

I assumed there was still air in the system, bleed the bathroom rad again, this time there was still a hiss of air and water continuelsly fired out, (like a water pistol) decied to let this drain all out until i was left with dribble, check all other radiators same sort of thing happend in the living room one, bedroom and kitchen ok. Refiled the tank and started heating, this time after 40 mins to 60 mins same thing happend noise from close to boiler like a hissing sound also water gurggling sound then pressure gauge needle goes mental, boiler shuts off.

Also if i run the heating for say only 20 mins, then turn off the pressure will drop to say just bellow 1 bar but stay steady there, then rise again to 1.5 ish bar when running.

Hot water seems to be ok, just hear that gurgling noise in the pipes next to boiler.

Phew that was long story, anyway my questions to all this are

Could there still be air in the system?
When i bleed the radiators, when i hear a hissing sound and water fired out (like water pistol) does this indicated trapped air or is this normal, I thought i should just dribble out?
should the cap on the expansion Vessel be fully closed or opened slightly?

Or could this be something entirely different?

Everything was working fine till i started this ahhhhh typical my luck.

Long story guys but any advise would be great,

Many thanks
 
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I heated up the system for 30 mins or so then I turned the CH off at power switch and proceed to do this.
Bleeding should always be done with the water cold.

I have an Apollo Fanfare but on an open-vented system, so I can't help you with that aspect.
 
Water expands when heated, so the extra volume is taken up inside your expansion vessel, which has a membrane within it. On one side of the membrane is water and on the other side is air in a compressed state.
There should be a valve and a valve cap where the 'air side' can be checked and recharged. Apart from that there is no other cap i'm aware of.
On the other hand AAVs (automatic air vents) do have caps that are meant to be loose to let the air escape.
The 'drain cock' you mention is not a drain cock! It's the filling loop.
Basically the AAV gets rid of the air, except that whats trapped within a radiator. When you bleed a radiator, you need some pressure to force the air out and you will see the pressure decrease. It may get to zero before all the air has been bled out, so it pays to watch it carefully and top it up as you go.
The water pressure should be around 1 bar when cold and rise about 1 bar when heated.
The problem areas are: boiler not working due to a very low pressure.(pressure loss due to leakage)
and the operation of the 'pressure relief valve' due to high pressure.
This high pressure may due to incorrect setting, 2.5 bar cold and 3.5 bar hot. The 3.5 may operate the PRV. If initial pressure is ok but pressure rise is excessive and operates the PRV, that would indicate a 'expansion vessel' problem. (membrane split or lost pressure on 'air side')
:rolleyes:
 

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