certificates if it's a homer?

[diy_fun_uk]

I'll be getting a property (in Scotland) completely re-wired. fully qualified electrician however he'll be completing the works as a homer. couple of questions:

1. what certificates/sign-offs should a domestic customer normally receive to prove works have been completed to current standards etc?

2. can an electrician still supply these if completing the works as a homer?

 

[EFLImpudence]

1. what certificates/sign-offs should a domestic customer normally receive to prove works have been completed to current standards etc?

Electrical Installation Certificate - several pages.
Then the relevant certificate from Building Control - not sure about Scotland.

2. can an electrician still supply these if completing the works as a homer?

Yes, he must.

 

[ericmark]

I will admit I don't know Scottish regulations, but in Wales the owner is responsible for submitting the electrical installation certificate to the local authority building control, not the electrician who has done the work.

So if the electrician doing the work issues an electrical installation certificate he can claim he thought the owner had notified the LABC, so it's in the electricians interests to issue the certificate.

So I would expect he would want to issue paperwork it shows to any court he did it right any non conform issues lie with the owner.

In England it is slightly different to Wales. In England only work requiring an electrical installation certificate requires notifying, plus some bathroom and consumer unit, in Wales any work in garden and kitchen also needs notifying so there are variations England and Wales with Scotland being another variation.

However I would expect either a minor works or an installation certificate to be issued by the electrician, not to issue them is in real terms saying "I know this is illegal" and opens the electrician to answering court cases.

 

[OwainDIYer]

In Scotland, whether the work is notifiable depends on the type of work and also the type of property.

Work in flats is generally notifiable, rewiring a house might not be.

 

[333rocky333]

he'll be completing the works as a homer. ?

Whats a Homer

 

[JohnW2]

Whats a Homer

I think that most of us know what a 'Homer' is - but I believe that a 'homer' is, in this context, probably a self-employed electrician!

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

I don't actually know either but I had assumed it was an employed electrician doing it in his own time.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Also, I did not get a reply when I asked what was a 'hot press' quoted by an Irish poster.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I will admit I don't know Scottish regulations, but in Wales the owner is responsible for submitting the electrical installation certificate to the local authority building control, not the electrician who has done the work.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

thanks all

i didn't realise 'homer' was a scotland only phrase? basically means a tradesperson completing works in their own time i.e. outwith their normal 9-5 or business.

it's a 2 bed flat.

 

[OwainDIYer]

Also, I did not get a reply when I asked what was a 'hot press' quoted by an Irish poster.

You'll be wondering what a porridge drawer is then ...

 

[EFLImpudence]

Ah. Mr.Google has heard of that one.

 

[ericmark]

I know Homer is a Greek poet but in Wales it is also a term for when a tradesman cards in does work without it going through the firms books. Often terms of employment forbid one from doing this when working for clients only in house electricians are normally permitted by the contract to do work not going through the firms books as all to often the work being done was poached from the company.

As a result many electricians don't want any document which shows what they have done. There is of course also the tax man to consider again documents showing one has done work is really not what is wanted especially if being presented to the government.

As to "ban-all-sheds" I referred to "submitting the electrical installation certificate to the local authority building control" either by electrician or home owner with "self-certification schemes" the scheme operator would normally inform the local authority not either the electrician or home owner. However that reference is interesting as it has been talked about with another post. I assume the quote is from Scottish system not English or Welsh as it seems from another post only the "notice to that effect" is passed on to local authority not the actual certificate with on line registering.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You'll be wondering what a porridge drawer is then ...

Is it an item of underwear worn by a person with a bizarre food fetish?

 

[Risteard]

i didn't realise 'homer' was a scotland only phrase?

It's a term which is also used in Ireland.