Churchill McDonnall Who is the real villain

[anobium]

I accept that Churchill was no saint, but on balance he did more good for this country than McDonnall has done or will ever do.
What do you think?

 

[Tigercubrider]

Given where he was, McDonnell was correct.
Churchill was pretty hardline and was effectively in the wilderness until ww2, when we needed a hardline leader to get us through. That doesn't excuse previous "sins"

Certainly on balance he did more good than harm but sending in troops to police an action was churchilll's first reaction and his attitude to India was scandalous

 

[anobium]

So McDonnell excusing members of the IRA for atrocities is ok ?
Churchill did have a life outside of politics in his early days unlike McDonnell who has never worked in the real world.
Who knows, if parliament had listened to him in Hitlers early rise to power, how many lives would have been saved.

 

[pete50]

I think Thatcher eclipsed them both. She destroyed the miners and this country.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Churchill did have a life outside of politics in his early days unlike McDonnell who has never worked in the real world.

Mmmm. Well, early lives were certainly different.

 

[^woody^]

Sir Nicholas Soames said
"I think my grandfather's reputation can withstand a publicity-seeking assault from a third-rate, Poundland Lenin."

Which sums it up nicely.

 

[gasbusters]

Churchill was a white supremacist and a racist who claimed openly the white race was superior i every way to other races. The man held horrendous views. A terrible human being and a war criminal. Hes certainly no hero.

 

[Notch7]

I think Thatcher eclipsed them both. She destroyed the miners and this country.

Arthur Scargill destroyed the miners.

Her time in office was a period of good and bad.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

What do you think?

I think that if MPs had followed Churchill's advice on where their duties lay, and 479 had voted against triggering Article 50, then a number of people on here would have been spitting blood.

 

[Tigercubrider]

I don't quite understand that anything ne can consider Churchill to have had "a proper job" apart from politics given his upbringing, and then decry the son of a bus driver who went to night school to get A levels, a degree, and worked in local government for several years.

Some people make it sound as if the only worthy occupations involve bending pipes or sticking two bits of wood together.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Some people are so thick, and so credulous, that they have swallowed the lies about Labour politicians and policies, which a number of mass-circulation newspapers have promulgated for generations, hook, line and sinker.

 

[^woody^]

Perhaps the ingrates would prefer if we were posting in German , after of course, the likes of ellel filtering the posts of everyone to ensure that they aligned with the thoughts of the Reich.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

'The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy.'
Sir Winston Churchill on the Duties of a Member of Parliament.

So, Woody - what would you have said if 479 MPs had agreed with him and voted against leaving the EU?

 

[transam]

McDonald is an admirer of Mao carries Maos red book around with him for inspiration

The cultural revolution

The great leap foward

All inspirational policies from one of the worlds great leaders

 

[SirGalahad]

You cannot boil down historical figures to simple binary choice as hero or villain, most are a mosaic of views and a creation of their times.

Irony is Churchill was a horrible minister in peace times and his real skill was being a leader during the war but even then his advisors kept him from making rash decisions.

Churchill greatest talent perhaps was his writing and speaches. History has been kind to him by brushing out a great deal of his flaws which those not versed in nuance will miss.