Do we need a new roof?

Joined
14 Sep 2022
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
Country
United Kingdom
Sorry to repeat this, I already posted about this a few months ago but now have a better idea of what is going on.
In a nutshell, chimney capping needed attention years ago but we have lived overseas so there has been at least 4 years of water penetration into one chimney. The chimney breast below was removed before we moved in over 25 years ago; the stack is still in the loft, but we never had damp.
Returned in July to find damp patches in the bedroom wall and above the skirting board in the dining room. Both are in line with, or near to, where the chimney breast would have been. Since had both chimneys pointed, flashing checked and capped off properly. Patches seem to improve but get darker after heavy rain. No 'roofer;' who has looked can see any issues. Some looked at the house (its a 1930's build) and just suggested we put a new roof on at around £6000, but they couldn't even promise that would fix it. Hardly any houses around here have new roofs; they are considered to be pretty good for their age.
However, just a few hours with a 20L dehumidifier on and the patches inn the bedroom disappear almost completely, same with the downstairs. Remove the dehumidifier and they start to come back within a day or so...whether it rains or not. A damp expert said that it can't be rising damp downstairs if it disappears that easily.

So, my theory is, several years of water ingress have led to a build up of damp in the walls between houses (its a semi) and even though the chimney is capped now, rainy (wet) weather still draws the damp out if there is no dehumidifier in place (possibly even salts from the old chimney). We have two Meaco Arete that are awesome, but only been running them for a few weeks so I imagine it would take months (or years) to remove the damp already in the walls. Thankfully, they are quiet and economical to run.

Does this sound a reasonable diagnosis or am I likely to need a new roof?

I attached an illustration to show what is going on :)

Any advice is much appreciated, even if you are not a roofing expert. Like everyone, I have better things to spend hard earnt money on than a new roof if its not needed. If it is then so be it. I would rather the house was prepared for the winter. :(

I should add that there is no other sign of water ingress (no water stains etc.) so it cant be water dripping into the loft or that would show on the ceiling or higher up the wall. The chimney breast remains in the front of the house (living room and bedroom) and no issues there. It was the chimney at the rear (in line with the stains) where the capping was pretty much ruined; it was clearly letting rain water go in.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 

Attachments

  • House Diagram.jpg
    House Diagram.jpg
    212 KB · Views: 84
Last edited:
Sponsored Links
Water does not get trapped in a wall.

Typically, damp from a stack is water getting into the stack above the roof

Water is either
Getting into the flue - via the capping or the brickwork
Getting in the brickwork via the capping or the face and running down due to a defective or missing DPC
Getting into the brickwork below any DPC due to defective flashing
Getting into the brickwork via a defective back gutter

However, if there is a parapet or bonding gutter or defective ridge tile, rain could get into the party wall that way

Unless there is an obvious broken tile, not generally anything to do with the roof tiles or felt, although that's not to say that they don't need attention.

If the wall and stack in the loft is dry, then the flue is the route.

Don't assume work done is done properly unless you have had that verified.

Patches like that are more often flue related. If you are sure the flue is vented and it gets worse after rain, then suspect water penetration of the flue.
 
Thanks for responding Woody. I am puzzled why this is always the same place, I would suspect continuous water penetration would start to manifest repeatedly rather than the same sized patch in the same place?
As for flue, I am not sure what you mean. there is no chimney breast where the damp patches are showing and the top of the remaining stack has been completely capped off (no pots) just mortar. The stack is supported in the loft and has been since before we moved in.
There is no guttering near this as we are a semi-detached and this is the wall between houses so to speak.
As for having work verified, I would be delighted if I could find someone to do that as all I have had from those I asked to quote is the suggestion of just replacing the whole roof; a few of them made that decision without even looking at it. Really struggling to find anyone who isn't just out to sell a new roof, this is my dilemma...if its something else (say salts in the wall) I would be putting a new roof on for no real benefit.
 

Attachments

  • IMG-20220911-WA0002.jpg
    IMG-20220911-WA0002.jpg
    214.8 KB · Views: 81
The stack in the loft will not be ventilated ? so rain will not dry before it has chance to fall thru the brickwork below , pointless having a chimney stack if you have nothing. below it . A chimney is kept dry by having a ventilated flue. You have no flue but a stack of bricks on the roof (chimney) collecting rain.
 
Sponsored Links
The stack in the loft will not be ventilated ? so rain will not dry before it has chance to fall thru the brickwork below , pointless having a chimney stack if you have nothing. below it . A chimney is kept dry by having a ventilated flue. You have no flue but a stack of bricks on the roof (chimney) collecting rain.
Fully understand, but it has been that way for decades and not our choice. The patches are only in the last year or so after the existing capping essentially broke away in the previous few years.
Also, taking it down would be something the neighbours would have to agree to? it would then need tiling (patching) over, and then we are on our way to a new roof. Not sure how long we plan to stay in the house so I am weighing up if its an investment I need right now.
 
I really do appreciate all these responses by the way, I am just trying to make sense of this as I have had so much conflicting advice, and we had no issues before we went away (and the capping started breaking off). The roofer was 'reputable', local and 25 years trading and assured me his work (recapping, pointing, checking the flashing) would have fixed any potential leaks. He showed me the original capping which was basically old bricks thrown into the flue with mortar. It had all broken up and a large lump might well have fallen in too. He wasn't at all surprised we had water coming in...but now, well, that's the puzzle.
 
There are several damaged slates behind the chimney the " capping "as you call it is not complete and detached from the top brick course. Water will be drawn in here.

When the breast was taken down was to right to ground level?
 
What have next door got on that wall? Bathroom, ensuite? Could it be their pipes leaking?
 
There are several damaged slates behind the chimney the " capping "as you call it is not complete and detached from the top brick course. Water will be drawn in here.

When the breast was taken down was to right to ground level?
Funny you should mention that, don’t recall any damaged tiles before the repairs..typical. I think we need to get another builder/roofer out for that, and the capping. I’m presuming that it’s that, then look at removing the stack before considering a whole new roof?
Yes, no chimney breast on either floor, just the one in the front of the house where there seem to be no problems. All done before we moved in during the mid 1990’s.
 
What have next door got on that wall? Bathroom, ensuite? Could it be their pipes leaking?
They have the same as us, chimney breast removed. Fitted wardrobes in bedroom so wouldn’t see any damp if they had it, and downstairs is a large Welsh dresser where we see the damp patch is on our side. So, they may also have this problem (but behind furniture), but there are no pipes near where our patches are.
 
The chimney is not capped , just smothered in mortar, should have a slab across the entire top and vents to the sides to encourage air flow .
 
The chimney is not capped , just smothered in mortar, should have a slab across the entire top and vents to the sides to encourage air flow .
Looking down the surrounding streets, those without a chimney breast have all been done the same and some been that way for many years. Not saying it’s the right way at all, but has caused no problems (for us) for decades. The way it has been done by the roofer, which admittedly doesn’t look great, is exactly as it was before. When relying on specialists who come to do the job, we have sadly had to go with their advice.
I am starting to get the idea that I’m a bit picky about these things, perhaps others around here just accept the odd damp patch as being a problem with these old houses….maybe time to move :)
 
Last edited:

DIYnot Local

Staff member

If you need to find a tradesperson to get your job done, please try our local search below, or if you are doing it yourself you can find suppliers local to you.

Select the supplier or trade you require, enter your location to begin your search.


Are you a trade or supplier? You can create your listing free at DIYnot Local

 
Sponsored Links
Back
Top