Farage, the PM we need?

Odds · 2024-12-13T07:08:16+0000

diy_fun_uk said:
An increasing number of people (granted mainly talking heads on tv) are saying it's not impossible Reform could gain power in 2029 with Farage as PM.

So my question is this. Do you think Farage and Reform are exactly what the UK needs and if so, what are you basing this on? Note I'm not just referring to immigration, would they be good in a wider sense i.e. healthcare, education, energy etc?

Or come 2029, do you think Reform will be lucky to retain their existing number of seats?

Notch7 · 2024-12-13T07:27:28+0000

Doug99 said:
Reform's top team are all established successful businessmen.
Our current government and main opposition are mainly career politicians.

Seems a logical alternative

Anne Widdecombe is in their top team. Just sayin

Odds · 2024-12-13T07:28:35+0000

Notch7 said:
Anne Widdecombe is in their top team. Just sayin

Notch7 · 2024-12-13T07:37:38+0000

motorbiking said:
How’s that looking so far?

Pretty good, considering the Tories destroyed this country with austerity, brexit, privatisation, vested self interest

noseall · 2024-12-13T07:40:41+0000

motorbiking said:
How’s that looking so far?

According to plan.

Sunshine32 · 2024-12-13T08:19:00+0000

I think Reform will follow what Elon and Vivek are doing in the USA with regards to bringing down the overbloated size of the federal government and it's spending. This will free up citizens to build and manufacture again without being hamstrung with bureacratic rules and regulations plus free up much needed capital.

In the UK we have the same problem; the state has got too big and the people now serve the state rather than the state serving the people. We have an unelected civil service running the country rather than the politicians who the people elect. We have so many quangos and commissions who none of us voted for but all of us pay for. I suspect Reform will look at axing those unelected quangos and commissions in the same way DOGE is embarking on.

blup · 2024-12-13T08:37:08+0000

Sunshine32 said:
I think Reform will follow what Elon and Vivek are doing in the USA with regards to bringing down the overbloated size of the federal government and it's spending. This will free up citizens to build and manufacture again without being hamstrung with bureacratic rules and regulations plus free up much needed capital.

In the UK we have the same problem; the state has got too big and the people now serve the state rather than the state serving the people. We have an unelected civil service running the country rather than the politicians who the people elect. We have so many quangos and commissions who none of us voted for but all of us pay for. I suspect Reform will look at axing those unelected quangos and commissions in the same way DOGE is embarking on.

Ree- smogg napping with his feet up on the commons benches would have done so much better without a civil service. We wouldn't have been distracted by Borris’s lazy law breaking. Doing without all those covid experts like Chris Witty would have saved a fortune. The country’s finest hour was when government ministers handed out out multi million pound contracts to their mates. No civil servants to get in the way there.

Thank god for an unelected (read independent) civil service.

Notch7 · 2024-12-13T08:37:14+0000

Sunshine32 said:
I think Reform will follow what Elon and Vivek are doing in the USA with regards to bringing down the overbloated size of the federal government and it's spending. This will free up citizens to build and manufacture again without being hamstrung with bureacratic rules and regulations plus free up much needed capital.

In the UK we have the same problem; the state has got too big and the people now serve the state rather than the state serving the people. We have an unelected civil service running the country rather than the politicians who the people elect. We have so many quangos and commissions who none of us voted for but all of us pay for. I suspect Reform will look at axing those unelected quangos and commissions in the same way DOGE is embarking on.

Please provide an example of something specific that is “over bloated”

Which specific department has got too big?

You mention “quangos and commissions” - please name one.

These are all parts of the estate, which of these do you think needs cutting:

Environment agency
Mental health services
Food standards agency
Social services
Criminal justice system
HM revenue and customs
Border force
Prison service
NHS
British standards
Home office staff processing with asylum claims
The additional staff needed for additional red tape caused by brexit

Which if these departments are “over bloated”?

Come on, please provide an example of “extra bureaucracy and regulation” we don’t need.

Sunshine32 · 2024-12-13T08:43:34+0000

I'm left leaning by the way... for those at the back.

noseall · 2024-12-13T08:59:20+0000

Sunshine32 said:
I think Reform will follow what Elon and Vivek are doing in the USA with regards to bringing down the overbloated size of the federal government and it's spending. This will free up citizens to build and manufacture again without being hamstrung with bureacratic rules and regulations plus free up much needed capital.

In the UK we have the same problem; the state has got too big and the people now serve the state rather than the state serving the people. We have an unelected civil service running the country rather than the politicians who the people elect. We have so many quangos and commissions who none of us voted for but all of us pay for. I suspect Reform will look at axing those unelected quangos and commissions in the same way DOGE is embarking on.

The vacuum will be replaced. With what is anyone's guess. Yes people? Hello financial crash.

Sunshine32 · 2024-12-13T09:09:08+0000

I've got a busy day of last minute Chrimbo shopping and seeing friends planned so can't stay and argue the toss ad infinitum until hell freezes over. So I'll leave this url here instead for those interested in how just some of UK taxpayers money gets misspent. This is the tip of the iceberg and by no way exhaustive.

www.charlottecgill.co.uk

Have a good day all

Notch7 · 2024-12-13T09:19:29+0000

Sunshine32 said:
I've got a busy day of last minute Chrimbo shopping and seeing friends planned so can't stay and argue the toss ad infinitum until hell freezes over. So I'll leave this url here instead for those interested in how just some of UK taxpayers money gets misspent. This is the tip of the iceberg and by no way exhaustive.

www.charlottecgill.co.uk

Have a good day all

Sunshine32 had enough time to post a load of uninformed opinion, but when asked to back it up with evidence suddenly he is far too busy.

Sunshine32 claims he is left leaning and yet posts a link to a right wing grifter who writes for The Telegraph, Free Market Conservatives, The Sun, The Times and Mail on Sunday.

carmanmemoranda · 2024-12-13T09:22:41+0000

Sunshine32 said:
I think Reform will follow what Elon and Vivek are doing in the USA with regards to bringing down the overbloated size of the federal government and it's spending. This will free up citizens to build and manufacture again without being hamstrung with bureacratic rules and regulations plus free up much needed capital.

In the UK we have the same problem; the state has got too big and the people now serve the state rather than the state serving the people. We have an unelected civil service running the country rather than the politicians who the people elect. We have so many quangos and commissions who none of us voted for but all of us pay for. I suspect Reform will look at axing those unelected quangos and commissions in the same way DOGE is embarking on.

Be very careful what you wish for

You Want those at the top to do what they want I suspect

Sunshine32 · 2024-12-13T09:24:29+0000

No, I want the politicians the people democratically elect to fulfill the promises they made to the people who elected them.

I think they call this democracy.

It's been a very long time since we had that.

Sunshine32 · 2024-12-13T09:30:20+0000

Notch7 said:
Sunshine32 had enough time to post a load of uninformed opinion, but when asked to back it up with evidence suddenly he is far too busy.

Sunshine32 claims he is left leaning and yet posts a link to a right wing grifter who writes for The Telegraph, Free Market Conservatives, The Sun, The Times and Mail on Sunday.

I've voted for left leaning politics and parties all my life.

Reform is a party made up of and appeals to those on the right, left and centre.

Woke is as much on the right as it is on the left.

I honestly do not have time to go through it all now but I will come back and do so when I do.

Farage, the PM we need?

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