Ferroli F24 expansion vessel

[Sres]

Hi,

I've just had Powergen around to take on a maintenance contract on my boiler (Ferroli F24) and they refused on a few things.

He said that the Expansion Vessel was over pressurizing, he ran it for 10mins and it hit 2 bar. I checked the manual and that seems to be within normal working parameters from what I can deduce from the manual (it's a lot of figures that I don't really understand).

he also said the water quality inside the system was poor and needs blowing out, citing that Brit Gas would charge £600, Powergen £300, when I heard this I was a little suspect, from what I've always seen the water in hot water systems has always been manky.

He said that Powergen would be not take on my contract until these faults are sorted, even recommending I return to British Gas to get these problems fixed.

Can anyone give me a little advice? I changed from Brit Gas because they where taking me for a ride with charges and not even bothering to contact me to do my annual maintenance.

 

[Agile]

Most people would prefer BG to Powergen for boiler insurance.

You would do better with a reliable and reasonable independent but if you want so called peace of mind then its up to you. But you do sound like someone who will not be happy with any charges.

Its normal to need to do things like that before being put on a contract. Your expansion vessel is failed or discharged and the water quality is by your own admission poor.

If BG will keep it covered then stay with them. But all those firms are in business to make a profit!

Whats wrong with the independents?

Tony

 

[Registered Gas Man]

But you do sound like someone who will not be happy with any charges.

Agile you make me smile.

Sres, they want a boiler they know is working, before they take out the contract. If i recall a guy was on the forum not so long ago, posting how he was trying to con such a service provider into a contract with his already knacked boiler.

Whats wrong with the independents?

 

[Sres]

Powergen that said it was a failed unit and the water was dirty not myself

I think I'll get a 2nd opinion on it. I just feel like BG took me for a ride and now Powergen are going to do the same.

 

[Agile]

Hi,

he also said the water quality inside the system was poor and needs blowing out, citing that Brit Gas would charge £600, Powergen £300, when I heard this I was a little suspect, from what I've always seen the water in hot water systems has always been manky.

I thought that this meant that you agreed the water quality was not up to standard!

You have already confirmed to me that the expansion vessel is failed when you said the pressure goes up to 2 Bar in 10 minutes!

You have not said why you prefer to pay nearly £200 a year to these firms to feed their shareholders but ignore the much cheaper independents?

Tony

 

[Sres]

Tony,

I don't think I have to explain anything to you with regards who I pay my money to.

Regarding the rest of the post that is of importance to myself.

If you read what you highlighted, it is an 'in general' comment, water in central heating systems is generally not clean, if that's wrong then shoot me, I was just making a comment that in the 3 houses that I have lived, and in the 3 central heating systems that I have had the water has not been clean and crisp like a spring.

Thank you for actually answering part of my question though, you could have just answered with the 2nd line of this post, although I think you enjoy harassing people on forums, hope you enjoyed your quarter to one hit.

I'll just go and get cancel my account to the forums, can't see the point in coming here to be harassed. Life's too short.

 

[Nixt]

Tony,

I don't think I have to explain anything to you with regards who I pay my money to.

Regarding the rest of the post that is of importance to myself.

If you read what you highlighted, it is an 'in general' comment, water in central heating systems is generally not clean, if that's wrong then shoot me, I was just making a comment that in the 3 houses that I have lived, and in the 3 central heating systems that I have had the water has not been clean and crisp like a spring.

Thank you for actually answering part of my question though, you could have just answered with the 2nd line of this post, although I think you /enjoy harassing people on forums, hope you enjoyed your quarter to one hit.

I'll just go and get cancel my account to the forums, can't see the point in coming here to be harassed. Life's too short.

Some OP's are clearly disgruntled when their money derived questions aren't met with the utmost courtesy from people who owe them f/all in life.

Perhaps it would be kinder all round if contributors avoided financially based/ 'am I being ripped off' led questions and stuck to technical & DIY advice/discussion.

 

[nickso]

Tony,

I don't think I have to explain anything to you with regards who I pay my money to.

Regarding the rest of the post that is of importance to myself.

If you read what you highlighted, it is an 'in general' comment, water in central heating systems is generally not clean, if that's wrong then shoot me, I was just making a comment that in the 3 houses that I have lived, and in the 3 central heating systems that I have had the water has not been clean and crisp like a spring.

Thank you for actually answering part of my question though, you could have just answered with the 2nd line of this post, although I think you /enjoy harassing people on forums, hope you enjoyed your quarter to one hit.

I'll just go and get cancel my account to the forums, can't see the point in coming here to be harassed. Life's too short.

Some OP's are clearly disgruntled when their money derived questions aren't met with the utmost courtesy from people who owe them f/all in life.

Perhaps it would be kinder all round if contributors avoided financially based/ 'am I being ripped off' led questions and stuck to technical & DIY advice/discussion.

to be fair though he was unlucky that tony was the first one to respond to his post with his usual irrelevant drivel. it answered absolutely none of his questions and just put his back up.

 

[nickso]

But all those firms are in business to make a profit!

Whats wrong with the independents?

Tony

yours in the business to make a loss is it?

 

[nickso]

He said that the Expansion Vessel was over pressurizing, he ran it for 10mins and it hit 2 bar. I checked the manual and that seems to be within normal working parameters from what I can deduce from the manual (it's a lot of figures that I don't really understand).

2 bar isnt an outrageous number for an expansion vessel to be at when its heated. it could simply be undersized for all we know. did he even try to repressurise it?

he also said the water quality inside the system was poor and needs blowing out, citing that Brit Gas would charge £600, Powergen £300, when I heard this I was a little suspect, from what I've always seen the water in hot water systems has always been manky.

the water should be clean and inhibited although in reality its rare to find that. the reason BG will happily have a system on contract with poor water quality is it knows it can charge for anything that goes wrong beacuase of it, after the initial reporting of the situation. nothing wrong with that, read your t+c's. BG charge £592 because its guaranteed for life, i doubt powergens flush is.

He said that Powergen would be not take on my contract until these faults are sorted, even recommending I return to British Gas to get these problems fixed.

he probably failed it because its a ferroli. god knows i would if it weren't for the fact we have to take everything on. go back to BG and the expansion vessel might be sorted, the flush wont, well not for free anyway.

I changed from Brit Gas because they where taking me for a ride with charges and not even bothering to contact me to do my annual maintenance.

BG are behind nationally in servicing this year. you should have phoned them to jump the queue. many people expect it to be done on the exact date of the last one when in fact thats not what the t+c's set down. what were the charges you were being asked for?

 

[Nixt]

to be fair though he was unlucky that tony was the first one to respond to his post with his usual irrelevant drivel. it answered absolutely none of his questions and just put his back up.

I didn't mean to single out the OP, just using this post as an example.

 

[Agile]

Hi,

I've just had Powergen around to take on a maintenance contract on my boiler (Ferroli F24) and they refused on a few things.

Can anyone give me a little advice? I changed from Brit Gas because they where taking me for a ride with charges and not even bothering to contact me to do my annual maintenance.

You think that BG were "taking you for a ride" and you seem to have similar feelings about Powergen.

I confirmed that you expansion vessel is failed or needs recharging and in spite of this free advice you still accuse me of harassing you.

You have fallen out with British Gas and Powergen and you are showing similar attitudes towards me ( even though my advice is free ). Could it be that you go through life thinking that everyone is ripping you off?

You clearly have a substandard system which needs work and you are either going to have to do it yourself or pay someone to sort it out for you.

Tony


PS Nixt, I think that it is perfectly reasonable for people to ask if they are being ripped off. However, that should be asked with an open mind and if the answer is no then they should accept it!

 

[Nixt]

PS Nixt, I think that it is perfectly reasonable for people to ask if they are being ripped off.

So do I. Only I think it's even more perfectly reasonable if those people ask it on 'amibeingrippedoffnot.com'.

 

[nickso]

I confirmed that you expansion vessel is failed or needs recharging and in spite of this free advice you still accuse me of harassing you.

you were harrassing him, and about completely irrelevant issues too.

You have fallen out with British Gas and Powergen and you are showing similar attitudes towards me ( even though my advice is free ). Could it be that you go through life thinking that everyone is ripping you off?

could it really be that he doesnt like your particular brand of uninformed waffle? he hasnt said he has fallen out with anyone, merely made a change (for the worse) to another service.

that should be asked with an open mind

when are you going to open your mind to the fact your personal skills really are lacking somewhat?