Heat link and power to the boiler - Does this look right?

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Just had a new boiler installed this week.

Part of the job description was to install a dedicated fused spur where the boiler will be powered from and also connect to the existing Nest controls (heat link and thermostat). I'm very happy with the plumbing aspect of the job. But, I'm very concerned with the electrical connection. Is the setup in the pics correct?
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From what is visible nothing looks wrong. I am assuming 4 core or above from heat link to boiler? What is the boiler that is fitted?

With Nest Gen 3 one can connect the boiler using OpenTherm if the boiler will allow that, and in the main power goes to boiler then to heat link so it is supplied through the boilers own fuse, but there is nothing one can criticise from what we can see and has be written about on your post.
 
From what is visible nothing looks wrong. I am assuming 4 core or above from heat link to boiler? What is the boiler that is fitted?

With Nest Gen 3 one can connect the boiler using OpenTherm if the boiler will allow that, and in the main power goes to boiler then to heat link so it is supplied through the boilers own fuse, but there is nothing one can criticise from what we can see and has be written about on your post.
Thank you for your input.

The heat link is plugged into the mains switched socket and the boiler in turn, is powered through the heat link. It's the new Vaillant ecoTec plus 832 model. In the manual it states that it should be connected to a 3amp fused spur, hence my post.
 
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The heat link is plugged into the mains switched socket and the boiler in turn, is powered through the heat link. It's the new Vaillant ecoTec plus 832 model. In the manual it states that it should be connected to a 3amp fused spur, hence my post.

Nothing much wrong with it, except I would expect a single point of isolation for the entire heating system, and it's controls - that hasn't been done. The boiler has it's own supply, the Heat Link a different one.
 
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Nothing much wrong with it, except I would expect a single point of isolation for the entire heating system, and it's controls - that hasn't been done. The boiler has it's own supply, the Heat Link a different one.
The boiler is being fed through the Nest...
The heat link is plugged into the mains switched socket and the boiler in turn, is powered through the heat link
So it has got the single point of isolation.


In the manual it states that it should be connected to a 3amp fused spur,
It is acceptable for the boiler/Heatlink to be supplied by an FCU, or a plug, so that isn't a worry.

The problem is, the wiring of the plug has been done very poorly - they look to have reused the existing boiler plug and cable.
The cable is strained and it appears the inner cores are exposed.
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Which may not say much for the rest of the wiring.

Can you remove the cover of the heatlink and show us a picture of the wiring behind, and one with the plug top removed?

Did you pay extra for an FCU to be installed?
 
Did you pay extra for an FCU to be installed?
The extra FCU was part of the agreed installation cost.

Pics attached. I noticed that the heat link itself is not earthed, although the boiler is connected to the earth point of the heat link.
 

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Pics attached. I noticed that the heat link itself is not earthed, although the boiler is connected to the earth point of the heat link.
You've been left with a potentially dangerous installation, where the boiler hasn't got a (direct) electrical connection to the earth*, the inner cores of the lead are exposed, with inadequate cord restraint, and they haven't provided you with an FCU that was part of the quote.

Turn the boiler off, remove the plug from the socket, and if you feel you can trust them, get them back to do a proper job.

*It's likely that the boiler is indirectly connected to an earth through the gas or plumbing pipework - if it wasn't, the boiler would likely not fire up. Although this indirect connection shouldn't be relied upon!
 
You've been left with a potentially dangerous installation, where the boiler hasn't got a (direct) electrical connection to the earth*, the inner cores of the lead are exposed, with inadequate cord restraint, and they haven't provided you with an FCU that was part of the quote.

Turn the boiler off, remove the plug from the socket, and if you feel you can trust them, get them back to do a proper job.

*It's likely that the boiler is indirectly connected to an earth through the gas or plumbing pipework - if it wasn't, the boiler would likely not fire up. Although this indirect connection shouldn't be relied upon!
Thank you for the helpful information. Will give them a call to see if they can rectify it.
 
I can't find a picture of the connections, it does seem that it does have the option of e-bus control, but nothing about opentherm so likely you will need the controls supplied by Vaillant to use the e-bus, Nest can only switch it on/off, I could also find no pictures of internal fuses, often one has to take the 230 volt supply from inside the boiler or the thermostat can by-pass the fuse, but I could not find an internal diagram so don't know if taking the supply from outside the boiler will or will not by-pass and fuse.

In the main most boilers need a permanent supply, this allows boiler to cool once the boiler is turned off, and since it warns against fitting a time clock on the supply I would assume this is true of your boiler, so one needs to ensure the plug can't in error be removed while boiler is running, so normally one uses a FCU as then it is unlikely the boiler will be unplugged to use socket for anything else.

The heat link is class II so does not need an earth, however any installed cable should have an earth, so there is provision for an earth for when the heat link is used to supply the thermostat, since your heat link does not supply the thermostat the earth is not required on the heat link, but it is required on the boiler, and it seems it has been cut off short.

I have Nest Gen 3 and it is a bit useless, as it only measures temperature in one room, I still use it as it allows me with two wires to keep the thermostat battery charged and send info as to is boiler should run either for DHW or CH, but it is on my to do list to fit a proper thermostat that will link to the TRV heads. But my boiler is a simple on/off, yours is a modulating boiler, so really you do need the proper controls, not a lash up using Nest.
 
In the main most boilers need a permanent supply, this allows boiler to cool once the boiler is turned off, and since it warns against fitting a time clock on the supply I would assume this is true of your boiler, so one needs to ensure the plug can't in error be removed while boiler is running, so normally one uses a FCU as then it is unlikely the boiler will be unplugged to use socket for anything else.

Yep, the boiler runs the pump for a while, after it has stopped 'its burn', to remove residual heat from the boiler and to provide additional economy, rather than the heat being wasted up the flue.
 
Yep, the boiler runs the pump for a while, after it has stopped 'its burn', to remove residual heat from the boiler and to provide additional economy, rather than the heat being wasted up the flue.
My boiler the heat goes into the domestic hot water which is not pumped, but my boiler is simple on/off, with a modulating boiler we want the boiler to turn down, and only turn off when it can't modulate further, so on/off is fine for time clocks, but thermostats need to be connected to the ebus or control the return water temperature which in turn controls how much the boiler modulates.

So best option is the sell the Nest Gen 3 and get a system that works with that boiler.
 
Oh dear, wiring is shocking (if you’ll excuse the pun). What is in the fcu next to the 2 gang socket outlet?
 
Thank you for your comments everyone. Very helpful!

I contacted them and they came to sort it out within the hour. Kudos to them.
The wiring is much neater and safer now. An electrician will attend next week to sort out the FCU and the direct earth connection to the boiler.
 

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