How long have private diesels got left?

[Ihavenojob]

Once the batteries are too worn out for electric cars they can be used for static purposes.

Nissan think they'll get about 20 years out of them. At that point they can be recycled.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/351314/nissan-leaf-battery-longevity/amp/

I used the word spent in the sense of used and unable to be used again, so what I was trying to find out is where & how safely are these batteries recycled, and with what impact on the environment?

 

[Brigadier]

The railways use the track as the "Neutral" the road systems have to be twin overhead wires.

My concern would be the public having easy tresspass access to the road and the cables overhead. Railways are better protected against tresspassing,

My understanding of the post was to load the trucks (or containers) onto the trains (for the longer, arterial parts of the journey ; thus negating the trucks' lack of range), and using the trucks for the final short "to door" leg.

 

[sircerebus666]

My understanding of the post was to load the trucks (or containers) onto the trains (for the longer, arterial parts of the journey ; thus negating the trucks' lack of range), and using the trucks for the final short "to door" leg.

That's exactly what I meant , similar system to eurostsar

 

[EddieM]

For domestic users, my guess is the car ownership dynamic will change. If and a big if, level 5 automous cars become reality, then owing a car for a lot of people should become obsolete. After most cars spend well over 90% of their time idle and depreciating.

 

[Brigade77]

For domestic users, my guess is the car ownership dynamic will change. If and a big if, level 5 automous cars become reality, then owing a car for a lot of people should become obsolete. After most cars spend well over 90% of their time idle and depreciating.

Which brings us back to the projections of only 40% of the current number of vehicles left on the road. Private car ownership will become a rarity.

 

[EddieM]

Which brings us back to the projections of only 40% of the current number of vehicles left on the road. Private car ownership will become a rarity.

Well not really, there may be 40% fewer cars, but they'll always be on the roads and seldom parked up.

 

[Mottie]

That's exactly what I meant , similar system to eurostsar

The Eurostar carries passengers. What you a are referring to is Eurotunnel Le Shuttle.

 

[EFLImpudence]

...and how long does the process take compared with driving the few miles - or many miles elsewhere.

 

[IT Minion]

I used the word spent in the sense of used and unable to be used again, so what I was trying to find out is where & how safely are these batteries recycled, and with what impact on the environment?

In which case, I'm not sure.

In theory you can apparently get up to 95% of the materials into a state where they can be reused, but at the moment it's not economical to recycle the lithium as it's so cheap to mine. It sounds like getting the expensive bits like cobalt, aluminium and copper are pretty straight forward. It'll probably get legislated in the same way that white goods manufacturers have to pay for recycling/disposal.

On the plus side we've got 20 odd years before we need a good answer. On the bad side that's what we thought with radioactive waste and we're paying a fortune to make that safe.

 

[Ryler]

If you need to drag a trailer around 100miles or so a day then current kit can handle that without having to recharge away from wherever it lives at night.

What current kit can handle that?
And the trailer and van is grossing 6 ton.

 

[Notch7]

For domestic users, my guess is the car ownership dynamic will change. If and a big if, level 5 automous cars become reality, then owing a car for a lot of people should become obsolete. After most cars spend well over 90% of their time idle and depreciating.

maybe one day cars will be like driverless Ubers -you just click on the app and one will toodle over to your house...

In 50 years people will look back and say 'gosh people used to drive cars themselves, there used to be accidents'......

 

[EddieM]

maybe one day cars will be like driverless Ubers -you just click on the app and one will toodle over to your house...

In 50 years people will look back and say 'gosh people used to drive cars themselves, there used to be accidents'......

That's precisely what I mean.

 

[IT Minion]

What current kit can handle that?
And the trailer and van is grossing 6 ton.

Ok, that's more than I was thinking of. That goes over the tow rating on most EVs, all the ones I'm aware of at least. The model X might be able to do it, it's towed planes in PR stunts, but I think it's only rated for 2.5 tons and who is going to risk it for work if it's not rated.

In terms of range it might manage to do 100 miles. The rated range is over 300 so it's possible, how does your MPG change from towing to not towing? If you get 20mpg without the trailer and 7mpg with it then an EV like the Model X, magically rated for 6 tons, probably would manage that distance.

The ford EV pickup truck and the upcoming ones from Rivian and Bollinger probably can, but they don't count as you can't buy them.

So, I am wrong. But check back in a year or so and it may be different.

 

[Ryler]

Electric vehicles pulling loads and taking over from diesel is a joke imo.
6 ton is nothing.

 

[EddieM]

can't imagine any agricultural vehicles will be electric any time soon, though of course some of the original agricultural vehicles were steam powered.