Indoctrination

[notb665]

My nephew is about to emigrate to the USA. He is 6 years old. He has of course enrolled to join a school, and I was asking him about it. He mentioned that he has to say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning.

I am not sure about that! Is it indoctrination by a pre-fascist state? Or just zealous patriotism? And my nephew is British! Why should he pledge an allegiance to a country of which he is not (at the moment) a citizen of?

 

[joe-90]

I think it's a good idea.

Let's make the Muslim kids do the same here.


joe

 

[jbonding]

My nephew is about to emigrate to the USA. He is 6 years old. He has of course enrolled to join a school, and I was asking him about it. He mentioned that he has to say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning.

I am not sure about that! Is it indoctrination by a pre-fascist state? Or just zealous patriotism? And my nephew is British! Why should he pledge an allegiance to a country of which he is not (at the moment) a citizen of?

i agree lets change the rules to suit him, your spot on. lets open a different school,even health centre to accomodate him and lets not make him go school, they should teach him at home its just not fair, how dare they say live by our rules you cant do that this day and age, what about his human rights.

 

[Bazdaa]

Your nephew might be British (now), but he is emigrating to the good old USA. So like it or not he will be American, and so should live by their rules, as well as keep hold of his identity. Problem is, as a 6 year old, I have a feeling that wont last very long!

On the flip side, I have to agree with you. I hate the idea of the pledge every morning, and always have. But I guess I don't have to worry as I don't live in the states or go to school.

Segregation is also not the answer.

Joe 90 - Do you think making a "Muslim kid" say a daily pledge, will stop him from being disillusioned and strapping a bomb to his back! Next someone is going to suggest, banning holidays!

 

[notb665]

My nephew is about to emigrate to the USA. He is 6 years old. He has of course enrolled to join a school, and I was asking him about it. He mentioned that he has to say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning.

I am not sure about that! Is it indoctrination by a pre-fascist state? Or just zealous patriotism? And my nephew is British! Why should he pledge an allegiance to a country of which he is not (at the moment) a citizen of?

i agree lets change the rules to suit him, your spot on. lets open a different school,even health centre to accomodate him and lets not make him go school, they should teach him at home its just not fair, how dare they say live by our rules you cant do that this day and age, what about his human rights.

Er, you seem to have mis-understood my main point. Apologies. I am not saying "My nephew shouldn't have to do it/He should have special attention". I am saying, "Is saying a doctrine every morning a good thing?" "Is it a good thing for everybody?". I only added the personal aspect of a relative so that it didn't seem like a random question.

 

[noodlz]

As if you'd ever ask a random question

 

[notb665]

As if you'd ever ask a random question

Yeah fair point. Hi! I've never seen you answer any of them.

 

[petewood]

I think it's a form of indoctrination and it's a bad thing. (Although I used to be in the Scouts and used to hate to have to say "and do my duty to god and the queen", don't know if they do that any more.)

Maybe there is more of a case for immigrants to make the pledge as they (or their parents) have decided to go and live there, but if you have been born in a crap country why should you have to pledge allegiance? If you lived in Zimbabwe would you be happy pledging allegiance to Robert Mgabwe?

I also think it's wrong for schools to have religion-biased morning assemblies. At my sons last school which was an infant school, the non-christian kids could leave the main assembly and go into another room with another teacher while the assembly was on. I told my son he could go out with them if he liked .

If schools in this country are going to have religious assemblies then why not cover the different religions or just make them non-religious in the first place.

 

[Bazdaa]

Petewood, was it a COE school or similar, or just a standard primary school if you get my meaning?

 

[supersparks]

errr i replyed to this post first, straight after it was posted and my reply saying it was a good idea and something we should also have immigrants do, and its been deleted, the moderation on this site is stupid, im off to a better one.

 

[dg123]

errr i replyed to this post first, straight after it was posted and my reply saying it was a good idea and something we should also have immigrants do, and its been deleted, the moderation on this site is stupid, im off to a better one.

It seems irrational to delete such a post, are the moderators only allowing contents they agree with?

 

[Bazdaa]

Have to agree the mods on this site are crap.If supersparks suggestion can be removed, then what about some of the other ones that have been posted in the last 24hrs?

Instead they will come along and delete parts of a thread, leaving confused as who is talking about what!

I suspect this will be deleted as well soon.