Is Boris' "Social Services" plan Oven Ready?

[JohnD]

he said two years ago he had a plan.

This was not true.

he recently recruited someone to start thinking about what to do.

He still has no idea.

In his speech on the 24th July 2019 Boris Johnson said: “I am announcing now – on the steps of Downing Street – that we will fix the crisis in social care once and for all with a clear plan we have prepared to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve.” Two years later there is still no plan.

have a look here.

 

[ajohn]

You will be hearing it in coming days LOL not sure how many though and much political ranting all round without any details of what they actually intend to do.

 

[Andydevon]

Oh god here we go another socialist bed wetter who all they can do is complain but never comer up with a serious plan of how you deal with the issue. Remember the best labour politician in decades Frank Field. What did he do come up with the unthinkable and was dropped like a hot potato by the Blairites. Last Labour politician I actually thought competent. So come on Gal what do you think needs to be done= Hint its not tax the poor or the rich.

 

[fillyboy]

Coming up with a plan is the the easy part. The hard part is funding. Raising NI seems the most likely but plenty of opposition to this because everybody including the young and poor will be affected.

It's not just the cost of care that needs funding, it's another staffing crisis caused by low wages, why aren't care home workers on the same scale as equivalent NHS workers?

If the Conservatives do come up with a workable solution, they'll be in power for the next two decades. Fingers crossed they don't eh?

 

[JohnD]

Coming up with a plan is the the easy part.

And he hasn't done it.

Telling a lie is even easier

And that, he has done.

 

[JohnD]

Oh god here we go another socialist bed wetter

I hear you can get disposable bedmats now to supplement your special pants. Hope you get sorted.

 

[Mottie]

And he hasn't done it.

Well, I always think that if you are unhappy with something it’s only fair to say, don’t do x, do y. It’s no good saying after the event "you should have done this". Whatever the situation is, it is and we are in it. I have no idea what the solution is so I feel that I’m not in a position to criticise. What’s your suggestion as to what should be done?

 

[charliegolf]

Sadly, and I mean that (being 65 next month, so an interested party), I doubt anyone in government will be able to see past an NI hike due to its least likelihood of upsetting Tory voters.

What's needed is legislation instituting an all party commission into social care provision and its funding, with a legal requirement to carry out its recommendations.

Like the Teachers', Nurses' and Forces review bodies, but with legal powers.

Never gonna happen of course.

 

[fillyboy]

JohnD wears tena pants.

 

[ajohn]

At least one fact came out. It's not just the old. 50% of general use is working people who are under 65.

I'd guess the increases will be salary based. Sensible thing to do and maybe less for lower level earners and some for some pensioners.

TBH if fair I can't see why anyone would object to that but there is mention of a flat increas - 1.25%. A revamp is needed really. Also more staff as lots are getting out of it.

 

[Andydevon]

I hear you can get disposable bedmats now to supplement your special pants. Hope you get sorted.

As an old fashioned Tory not needed, neither is the ringing of hands. Modern lot may be corrupt and vacuous but that no excuse for just pointing fingers without even beginning to demonstrate a credible alternative.

 

[Tigercubrider]

NI is thought to be "insurance" by many people (wrongly) - it just goes into the pot.
Anyone over 66 (?) doesn't pay NI and I believe that the boss of a large furniture company was paid in antiques one year .

NI will hit younger and poorer people with many rich older people paying nothing

https://www.channel4.com/news/is-it-fair-to-raise-national-insurance-to-fund-social-care

 

[JohnD]

NI will hit younger and poorer people with many rich older people paying nothing

"with many conservative voters paying nothing"

 

[JohnD]

At least one fact came out.

That's interesting. Where did you see trhat "fact?"

 

[JohnD]

TBH if fair I can't see why anyone would object to that

Let me think.

An employed adult on average earnings is paying 12% NI on every extra pound he earns
(£184 to £967 a week (£797 to £4,189 a month) 12%)

An employed adult on £50,000 a year is paying 2% NI on every extra pound he earns
(Over £967 a week (£4,189 a month) 2%)

An employed adult over state pensionable age on average earnings is paying 0% NI on every extra pound he earns

An employed adult over state pensionable age on £50,000 a year is paying 0% NI on every extra pound he earns

A billionaire with an income of average earnings, or £50,000 a year, or a million a year, pays 0% NI on his income if it is not wages or salary.

So the burden is falling most heavily on the shoulders of the employed adult on average earnings.

Not on the people with the highest income.

TBH if fair I can't see why anyone would object to that

Can't you, now.