is this notifiable work...

[MarcoM]

Hello,

Currently I have an outdoor light linked to a double switch in the utility room. One switch operates said outdoor light whilst the other operates the utility room light.

I would like to swap the double switch with two single switches so that one can operate the outside light with a timer. Also I would like to add another three light extending the existing outdoor light circuit.

My question is if this is notifiable work or not.

Regards,

 

[EFLImpudence]

Not in England.

Outside power and lighting is notifiable in Wales.

I don't know about Scotland.



United Kingdom?

 

[MarcoM]

Thanks I am in England.

I also would like your opinion on dawn to dusk bulbs, are they effective? I read somewhere that they may come on if the weather is cloudy.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Yes, they might not operate reliably in variable light conditions. Make sure you read the instructions properly where it gives you installation guidance.
Lamps with integral sensors are never going to be as good as doing the job properly.
I would use a separate “learning” photocell like this
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/STNM3000W.html

 

[EFLImpudence]

I don't know about bulbs but I wouldn't think they would come on unless it was cloudy enough to make it dark enough.

 

[MarcoM]

Yes, they might not operate reliably in variable light conditions. Make sure you read the instructions properly where it gives you installation guidance.
Lamps with integral sensors are never going to be as good as doing the job properly.
I would use a separate “learning” photocell like this
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/STNM3000W.html

I think I may just install PIR.
I have read a few threads on here and it seems that continous light is actually helpful to burglars.

Do you have any suggestion in terms of a good value for money PIR setup?

Thanks

 

[Taylortwocities]

What did you have in mind. One or many PIRs. One or many lights?

 

[JohnW2]

I think I may just install PIR. I have read a few threads on here and it seems that continous light is actually helpful to burglars.

Lights which come (as the result of a PIR) on when a burglar approaches your house can also be helpful to that burglar!

Kind Regards, John

 

[MarcoM]

What did you have in mind. One or many PIRs. One or many lights?

three pir aand three lights each on to a pir

 

[ericmark]

I don't know about burglars, not my trade, but as a householder they are helpful to stop on tripping over, however one does gain night vision without lights, so a light turning on, then off again is more dangerous than not having one.

I was talking to a steam engine driver, in the UK engines did not have head lights, and the drivers could see miles ahead at night once their eyes had got use to the light level, but with a head light you can only see for the range of the light.

So safety wise the idea of lights switching on/off is not very good, I have a 12W bulb switch on at 4:30 pm and off at 10 pm, can switch it on or off manually using phone, but last thing I want when walking down the steps at back of house, is half way down light goes off.

When an outside light was 500W there was so good reason to use a PIR, but at 12W simple time clock far better. As to burglars, well the cats set of the lights so often, very soon one takes no notice, and with curtains closed you don't even know it has switched on. Likely it does help cats hunt, as when a light comes on, animals tend to freeze, allowing the cat to catch it.

Now with inferred lights and cameras then that may help capture intruders. There are some very good ones today, my friend has got some good pictures of badgers. Captured doing their nightly rounds.

 

[Taylortwocities]

What did you have in mind. One or many PIRs. One or many lights?

To do that, you'll have to buy three PIRs and three separate lights.
These days, most of the lights with integrated PIRs do not support interconnection as the internal connections are not available.

buy a decent PIR. These work well IMO
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/STIS1B.html

Connect them up per the following.

 

[MarcoM]

To do that, you'll have to buy three PIRs and three separate lights.
These days, most of the lights with integrated PIRs do not support interconnection as the internal connections are not available.

buy a decent PIR. These work well IMO
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/STIS1B.html

Connect them up per the following.

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many thanks.

My first step would be to replace the existing light fitting with a junction box and then extend from there similar to what you have provided in the sketch.

 

[AndyPRK]

Now energy saving led lamps exist.

Do u care if it comes on when cloudy? In that unlikely event