Jason's thread

[Brigadier]

Provided those imports and exports meet all relevant Directives, regulations, etc.

Do you object to rules like that?

Irrelevant (although I don't, as it happens). My post was to counter your obfuscation, regarding the "freeness" of trade within the single market.
While it might be free-from-tariff to import or export such goods and services, it is not free-from-expense to ensure that they are able to be imported, or exported.

Home produced goods have to meet the same directives regulations, etc.
Why allow imports to be outside of those directives etc?

As above.

 

[EFLImpudence]

"what are you going on about"

I'm going on about your reasons for wanting to leave the EU which can also apply to the UK.

Is Essex part of the south east which susidises other parts of the country, in which case you might want to leave or is it a net beneficiary in which case you might want to stay?

Have you any more in common with people in, say, Durham than people in France which is nearer to you.

 

[Bodd]

I'm going on about your reasons for wanting to leave the EU which can also apply to the UK.

Is Essex part of the south east which susidises other parts of the country, in which case you might want to leave or is it a net beneficiary in which case you might want to stay?

Have you any more in common with people in, say, Durham than people in France which is nearer to you.

I see what you are saying...

The French are our friends. Those from up north are family. If subsidising Durham helps their command of the English Language then I'm all for supporting them In learning the mother tongue.

 

[jasonzyx]

Irrelevant (although I don't, as it happens). My post was to counter your obfuscation, regarding the "freeness" of trade within the single market.
While it might be free-from-tariff to import or export such goods and services, it is not free-from-expense to ensure that they are able to be imported, or exported.



As above.

Free trade agreements are usually extremely tight on which goods are included, and which are excluded, including quotas on such goods. They do not cover projects, grants, infrastructure and income generation schemes, etc. Free trade agreements are not concerned with the health and well-being of the citizens.
The EU, the Single Market and Customs Union is not so restrictive. The EU contributions does far more than compensate for the lack of tariffs.

As I said, it's a choice between a customs union (free trade with a membership contribution which does far more than covers trade tariffs) or trade tariffs (and non-tariff barriers).

 

[durhamplumber]

Free trade agreements are usually extremely tight on which goods are included, and which are excluded, including quotas on such goods. They do not cover projects, grants, infrastructure and income generation schemes, etc. Free trade agreements are not concerned with the health and well-being of the citizens.
The EU, the Single Market and Customs Union is not so restrictive. The EU contributions does far more than compensate for the lack of tariffs.

And of course, its all set in stone forever

 

[ban-all-sheds]

you keep saying trade with the EU is tarriff free. whichever way you want to argue, that is only achieved by paying the EU a big lump of money. That means it is not free.

This is pointless.

You are pointless.

You say that you do know the difference in meaning of the two uses of "free", and yet over and over again you show that you really do not.

You are one of those people whose ignorance goes beyond simply not knowing something - you cannot begin to grasp the fact that that something even exists.

 

[Bodd]

This is pointless.

You are pointless.

You say that you do know the difference in meaning of the two uses of "free", and yet over and over again you show that you really do not.

You are one of those people whose ignorance goes beyond simply not knowing something - you cannot begin to grasp the fact that that something even exists.

When car dealerships offer 0% finance in a particular model, do you believe that the finance company is lending you the money for nothing? Just being kind?

 

[transam]

What about the trade in services ?

Let's say financial services ? No tariff ? But barriers ?

Standards and regs ??

 

[ban-all-sheds]

My post was to counter your obfuscation, regarding the "freeness" of trade within the single market.

FFS - it is NOT "obfuscation"!

While it might be free-from-tariff to import or export such goods and services,

That is what the term "free trade means"!

WTF is wrong with you?

WTF is wrong with Notch?

Why don't you know what the term means?

 

[transam]

Very little is actually free
Tis the way things are

dare say there is some fiddle some where buried in the mountains of dic tats that have spewed out of the EU in the last 40 years

Trade in services ? May well be different or is different to trade in goods

 

[JohnD]

don't be unkind.

He does understand, he just likes posting things that he knows are not true, for his own entertainment.

 

[jasonzyx]

Trade in services ? May well be different or is different to trade in goods

How so?
Do you mean that a Free Trade Agreement does not cover services, a customs union might (depending on the negotiation and final agreement) and the Single Market does cover trade in services?

Quarter 1 2018 Exports to EU in services £14B (for the quarter alone) About 40% of total services exports.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindu...ountryforuktradeinservices/januarytomarch2018​

 

[Brigadier]

That is what the term "free trade means"!

so narrow a definition then, as to effectively be meaningless.

 

[jasonzyx]

When car dealerships offer 0% finance in a particular model, do you believe that the finance company is lending you the money for nothing? Just being kind?

Hello Bodd. Here is a thought.... an idea.
Can you please edit the title of the thread. It bugs me every time I read it.

 

[jasonzyx]

Thank you. It wasn't what I had in mind, but thank's anyway. I feel highly honoured to have a thread named after me.