Jeweller death shop closes down.

[pipme]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/4223955.stm
Apparently took the Police a long time to attend this 'robbery in progress' the owner related on tv news last PM, and I thought they set a high priority on robbery ? Unless you are not a bank of course --- Parliaments and lobbyist's come to mind --- I guess we pay for most of the Police and get the worst service -- Rip off Britain again !!
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[Thermo]

so lets get it straight, hes been caught by the police and is awaiting trial. Where does it say that they did not get there quick enough. Apart from standing on the door just in case of a robbery, what exactly do you expect them to do when a guy walks in with a gun? You dont pay the highest rate for police by the way, look at other european countries and then see how much you pay in comparison. If it was a bank and the guy had walked in with a gun, i dont see anything different would have happened. Funnily enough at any incident where a someone has a gun the police dont go blindly rushing in, starnge that, maybe its got something to do with the fact that they need to make the correct response to the threat whilst protecting the rest of the public and themselves.

 

[ninebob]

Actually I agree there, Thermo's answer makes sense - you can't have police lurking around the corner ready for every offence that takes place. I do sympathise big time with the guy in question, can't be nice having to close your business out of fear, but at the same time you must know that it's a high risk enterprise? My grandfather is a retired watchmaker/jeweller and used to have his own chain of shops, never really chatted to him much about it but will give him a call tomorrow and ask his opinion on this. Don't know if he's ever been robbed/threatened in the shops but will let you know his answer...

 

[Thermo]

Another point to make is that there is a certain responsibilty on shops and all commercial premises to protect their assets and staff with some form of security. Banks have invested heavily and thats why small shops and garages have become easy targets instead of them

 

[masona]

Sadly my uncle who run his own chemists in London who has taken over from my late grandfather since the year 1918. Average 3 to 4 robbery a year after drugs and the last one he has the shotgun in his face when he was shutting the shop late one night.

 

[AdamW]

As Simon says, can't have the police lurking around the corner for every crime that could possibly take place.

What puzzles me, it is referred to as a "shoplifting incident". To me, shoplifting suggests an adolescent girl shoving a designer top into her pocket and sneaking out. Why is carrying a weapon when stealing from a bank called "armed robbery", yet shooting someone when stealing from a shop is called "shop lifting"?!

Whilst this is a terrible thing, we should be thankful that we don't seem to have quite the level of armed robbery as other countries (although as masona has pointed out, we obviously have some).

Simon, I'll be interested to hear what your grandfather has to say on his experience of running such a business. I was looking through the window of a jewellers with a similarly thuggy-looking friend of mine, winding him up about buying an engagement ring for his girlfriend. I noticed that the staff of the shop (and there were several) were paying VERY close attention to us.

I have noticed that in posh areas, either the shop security isn't so great or it is better hidden. The toughest-looking jewellers shop I have been in was a discount bling merchant in Birmingham, and despite the cages etc. there was nothing worth more than a couple of hundred pounds on display. But, go into a posh jewellers in Knightsbridge, you have items worth tens of thousands of pounds just there in glass cabinets.

 

[pipme]

so lets get it straight, hes been caught by the police and is awaiting trial. Where does it say that they did not get there quick enough. Apart from standing on the door just in case of a robbery, what exactly do you expect them to do when a guy walks in with a gun? You dont pay the highest rate for police by the way, look at other european countries and then see how much you pay in comparison. If it was a bank and the guy had walked in with a gun, i dont see anything different would have happened. Funnily enough at any incident where a someone has a gun the police dont go blindly rushing in, starnge that, maybe its got something to do with the fact that they need to make the correct response to the threat whilst protecting the rest of the public and themselves.

The husband and daughter of shot jeweller Marian Bates have decided to shut up shop after cornering an alleged thief.
Victor Bates, who ran the Time Centre shop, in Front Street, Arnold, with his wife, said this was the final straw.
Mr Bates' daughter Xanthe spotted a man in the shop just over a week ago.
Mr Bates refused to open the electronically controlled doors and waited almost half an hour for police, keeping half-a-dozen customers inside.

I was repeating what the man himself related in person on TV news, he and his daughter detained the person -- certainly, I imagine, not by force given age and gender.
The shop owner was the person complaining about the response time .... being uncomfortably in company with the villain of the piece.
Sorry chaps there was more to this than the BBC site reported. ... I did have it straight ... from the owner himself.

Close to us an ex TORY minister has a cottage, not main home, two armed police, I mean with very visible m/c gun type arms, always in attendence plus four wheel drive RR -- This must carry a tremendous cost -- 168 hrs per wk x 2 x highly trained officers + vehicle + changeover overlap times --- Crikey how much of this goes on, at what cost ?

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[kendor]

Close to us an ex TORY minister has a cottage, not main home, two armed police, I mean with very visible m/c gun type arms, always in attendence plus four wheel drive RR -- This must carry a tremendous cost -- 168 hrs per wk x 2 x highly trained officers + vehicle + changeover overlap times --- Crikey how much of this goes on, at what cost ?

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Well that's obvious isn't it, after all those years of winding up the people with his ridiculous policy making they are protecting him from the public outcry and lynch mob.

 

[pipme]

Hang on old son this aint an ex PM -- just a cabinet minister.

Let us cost an armed Policeman at £75 per hr (half that of a plumber?) Do not shout !! I said cost not value, different things !!
2 cops all times.
Cover for whole year in hrs = 168 x 52 = 8736 x 2shifts = 17472 tot hrs.
17472 x 75 = £1,310,400
Plus the 4wd vehicle, its maintenance and that of the weapons.

Possibly some hours would be covered by overtime thus attracting only the salary associated costs and not full overheads -- a nifty ploy used, only, under some accounting methods.

A fair old chunk of brass to protect someone for life. .. How many of 'em ????

The moral of this story -- Only elect older MP's to govern, otherwise they'll cost you forever !!
Be cheaper to provide new ID, perform cosmetic surgery then chuck the bu##ers out into society !!

As a PS. approx £6400 would be total stoppages for a person on the average (meaningless) salary of say, £25000.
So 205 peeps required on av pay to cover just the rough yearly costs above!!
Multiply that lot a few times and that's a fair few nursing homes for the elderly -- and uni fees -- bunged away !!
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[kendor]

blimey i cracked a joke and got Pip's spleen all over my screen!

 

[pipme]

Many happy returns !!

 

[AdamW]

Well that's obvious isn't it, after all those years of winding up the people with his ridiculous policy making they are protecting him from the public outcry and lynch mob.

No, it just proves that non-tories are all irrational terrorists who attack those who represent a superior political ideal

Yay capitalism.

 

[Thermo]

pipme, if thats the case then yes theyve been let down and it does happen. As for the guarding of the tory minister by armed police, that is an exception rather than a rule and it will be most likely because of some part he has played previously in Northern Ireland or similar. It does cost a lot of money, however it is paid for by the home office and not directly out of the local polices money.
Difference between theft and shoplifting is that violence or the threat of violence is made in a robbery. It may be that a weapon is carried and ever seen or there may be some other reason why its been referred to as this. It gets very technical when it comes to the actual charges made against the offender, but the whole circumstances of the incident are looked into before the judge in court.

 

[petewood]

Perhaps the armed police are there to protect us from the Tory minister. Give those men a bonus!

 

[AdamW]

Perhaps the armed police are there to protect us from the Tory minister.

So what you are suggesting is... this is a state police force to guard against politicals considered undesirable by our socialist government? A "committee for state security", if you will... or "Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti" (KGB) in Russian

I told you these lefties would come to no good!