Kitchen gas powered with missing gas tap nearby

[hatTT]

Hello,

I have a kitchen that doesn’t have the stop valve anywhere nearby, quite shocking.
In case of a fire, I should try to extinguish the fire and then take the key, go outside and close the gas there.
This is the scenario where the little buttons on top of the kitchens don’t work.

Normally the fire doesn’t develop inside the pipe, so I should be safe, but you should also know that my pipe runs inside the garage, then on top of the plasterboard till the kitchen, this is also quite shocking.
(along the way there is also the boiler)
I tried to open every available lid, but unless it’s behind the back panel, I didn’t see it.

I don’t think this is under regulations, anyway, one thing at a time, I want to replace this damn gas powered kitchen with an electric one, but I already have 2 ovens and I don’t need other two (it usually includes 2 ovens).
So, as a matter of simplicity, is it not better to buy a portable one?

Though the issue with the gas remains, I should still remove it at some point, and if so, then I can simply install a fixed electrical unit.

 

[JohnD]

This is the scenario where the little buttons on top of the kitchens don’t work.

What do you mean?

 

[hatTT]

What do you mean?

If I can’t close the gas from there, which as far as know is not rated as a safety mechanism, then I need to find the key (time loss), go outside and close the main.

 

[JohnD]

What are "the little buttons on top of the kitchens?"

 

[RrogerD]

With respect, is English your second language? Fair play if it is, I don't speak any second language fluently.
Your posts seem to make little sense.
Gas hobs have a safety cut-off mechanism. When the flame dies, the gas stops flowing.
If you have a fire then you are not going to be looking around for a gas isolation valve. Your best bet, if that's what you want to do, is to go outside and turn off at the main supply.
Yes, an electric cooker setup can be installed instead of gas but, it will need a new supply cable and a separate circuit from the main board assuming not already installed. I suggest you get a few trades in for a quote or two.

 

[hatTT]

What are "the little buttons on top of the kitchens?"

Where you turn on the gas at the moment of firing it up, like any gas powered kitchen, maybe “button” wasn’t the right term .

With respect, is English your second language? Fair play if it is, I don't speak any second language fluently.
Your posts seem to make little sense.
Gas hobs have a safety cut-off mechanism. When the flame dies, the gas stops flowing.
If you have a fire then you are not going to be looking around for a gas isolation valve. Your best bet, if that's what you want to do, is to go outside and turn off at the main supply.
Yes, an electric cooker setup can be installed instead of gas but, it will need a new supply cable and a separate circuit from the main board assuming not already installed. I suggest you get a few trades in for a quote or two.

It’s not my primary language and I also wrote quickly.

Maybe the kitchens have had a technological advance in the last decade .
In another country, I was used to close the valve below the kitchen for extra security, because these table-top switches or buttons were not rated as safe, and at least once the gas kept flowing without the flame, despite the gas cooker was around 2008.

The way I saw it before making this post is that there is only one way to close the gas safely, under the kitchen or close to it, essentially a real valve.

What do you mean that the electrical kitchen needs to have a new supply cable and a separate circuit from the main board?
Do you mean that it needs to go straight to the main? I thought that they were all like that for safety reasons, at least in the kitchen.

If it’s too much of a mess, I’d buy a mobile one for now and maybe it becomes permanent, then I’ll find the way to cut this risky gas pipeline, obviously done by a professional.

Anyway, what about the pipe going over the ceiling plasterboard? Have you ever seen it?

 

[fixitflav]

Where you turn on the gas at the moment of firing it up, like any gas powered kitchen, maybe “button” wasn’t the right term .

I can't envisage what your set-up looks like, a few photos would help. But what makes you think it's any more risky than any other gas installation? Have you had somebody qualified, to give an opinion?

 

[hatTT]

I can't envisage what your set-up looks like, a few photos would help. But what makes you think it's any more risky than any other gas installation? Have you had somebody qualified, to give an opinion?

In attachment you find the famous “buttons”, like any other gas powered kitchen.

For me it’s risky for 2 reasons:
1. There is no shut off valve
2. The pipe comes from the main, then garage, then boiler, then kitchen, all on the ceiling plasterboard, at some point it goes down to the kitchen.

The “last mile” is behind the kitchen and that’s ok, but there is no shut off valve as I would normally expect.

 

[Madrab]

In any gas event where there is a gas escape or uncontrollable 'fire' at a gas outlet then always evacuate the building and turn the gas off @ the meter.

The gas mains pipe connected to the meter should have a valve on it, that is called the Emergency Control Valve (ECV). Usually that would be located in the meter box/location (unless it's marked that there is a remote ECV and where that is) and that is where the household gas should always be shut down in an emergency. The ECV should always have its handle on it and that should never be removed. Can you post a picture of the gas meter and the gas mains pipe leading to it?

Any other valves located near to the appliances would just a service valve and are not designed to be used in an emergency.

 

[hatTT]

In any gas event where there is a gas escape or uncontrollable 'fire' at a gas outlet then always evacuate the building and turn the gas off @ the meter.

The gas mains pipe connected to the meter should have a valve on it, that is called the Emergency Control Valve (ECV). Usually that would be located in the meter box/location (unless it's marked that there is a remote ECV and where that is) and that is where the household gas should always be shut down in an emergency. The ECV should always have its handle on it and that should never be removed. Can you post a picture of the gas meter and the gas mains pipe leading to it?

Any other valves located near to the appliances would just a service valve and are not designed to be used in an emergency.

Thanks a lot, that simplifies my emergency plan .
Yes, I have the general valve on the meter designated enclosure.

Though this doesn’t make the case of a gas leak from those “stupid” systems.
I’ve searched online and I found out that gas detectors are not so expensive, I thought they were hundreds of pounds, probably I was searching complete solutions for businesses by mistake .

So on top of having CO, Smoke and Heat alarm in the kitchen, boiler room and upstairs in the hall, I’ll put one gas detector in the kitchen and the other in the boiler room, it should be pretty safe and it won’t cost me a new cooker, installation and dismantling.

They always say that gas is less safe, but also electrical cookers go bang, I personally had a faulty one after only 10y…

 

[RrogerD]

Thanks a lot, that simplifies my emergency plan .
Yes, I have the general valve on the meter designated enclosure.

Though this doesn’t make the case of a gas leak from those “stupid” systems.
I’ve searched online and I found out that gas detectors are not so expensive, I thought they were hundreds of pounds, probably I was searching complete solutions for businesses by mistake .

So on top of having CO, Smoke and Heat alarm in the kitchen, boiler room and upstairs in the hall, I’ll put one gas detector in the kitchen and the other in the boiler room, it should be pretty safe and it won’t cost me a new cooker, installation and dismantling.

They always say that gas is less safe, but also electrical cookers go bang, I personally had a faulty one after only 10y…

I think that you are worrying unnecessarily. The uk has good regulations re installations. I've never heard of anyone needing / wanting a gas detector. You can usually smell gas anyway.

 

[kidgreen61]

Oh Lordy

 

[hatTT]

I think that you are worrying unnecessarily. The uk has good regulations re installations. I've never heard of anyone needing / wanting a gas detector. You can usually smell gas anyway.

Right, I forgot about the additives .

Anyway it’s better to have it, I do leave the upper window shutters open, but in the case of a big gas leak, it would be great do not spark anything when I open the front door , or garage…

 

[Madrab]

If you are overly concerned about a gas escapes and a detector will ease those fears then that's up to you.

Gas supply systems and pipework are inherently safe given the materials they are made of and yearly gas safety checks/servicing of appliances will allow those system to be safety checked for peace of mind.