Late for a meeting.

[pipme]

Allo, allo, allo link
82 mph in 40mph zone that was only 120 ft/sec or about 30 4ft children laid out end to end. Where ever do we find 'em ? Nice little earner too !
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Chief Superintendent
Pay point
Salary p.a.
1.
£54,636
2.
£56,217
3.
£57,801
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[david and julie]

Terrible this pipme, what do you reckon for punishment? would a lump sum and around £29K index linked for life sound appropriate?

 

[kevplumb]

that's too near the truth d&j

 

[pipme]

Terrible this pipme, what do you reckon for punishment? would a lump sum and around £29K index linked for life sound appropriate?

Worse it could be 2/3 or £38 k index linked .. to a person with many employable years remaining !!
All these pensions should have a ceiling at the Average pay figure when leaving, anything further could easily be funded from such salary level.
--------------- In the real world.
Index linked annuity at 55 years male
Prudential £3,602.40 gross for each £100,000 invested. At age 51 the income would be considerably less.

Payment of Pension
Ordinarily, officers must complete 25 years pensionable service and have reached the age of 50 to receive a pension. However, pensions are paid to officers under 50 if they have completed 30 years service. The rate of pension ranges from half-pay after 25 years pensionable service to a maximum of two-thirds after 30 years pensionable service. Pensions are calculated on the highest level of pensionable pay of any of the last three years service.
Officers can commute part of their pension to a lump sum payable on retirement. The percentage which they can commute depends on age and length of service. Pensions increase each year in line with the cost of living index. Increases are not payable until the age of 55.

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Constable's Pay
Pay Point (Annual increments from 2 years onwards)
Annual salary with effect from 1st September 2004
£
On commencing service 19,803
On completion of initial training period 22,107
2 23,388
3 24,819
4 25,599
5 26,421
6 27,147
7 27,849
8 28,740
9 29,781
10 30,477
11 31,092
Sergeant's Pay
Pay Point (Entry at 0 or 1 depending on length of service, then annual increments)
Annual salary with effect
from 1st September 2004
£
0 31,092
1 32,157
2 33,237
3 33,948
4 34,944
Inspector's Pay
The pay scale for an Inspector ranges from £39,840 (£41,586 in London) for a newly promoted Inspector to £43,212 (£44,970) for an Inspector with three completed years of service in rank.
Flexible Working Conditions
The normal working week is 40 hours on a shift basis. Shift patterns vary between forces. All ranks below superintendent are entitled to two rest days a week and compensation if required to work over those two days. They are also entitled to leave or compensation in lieu of public holidays.
It is possible to work part-time and flexible hours. For more information on this and on overtime pay and other benefits (including maternity leave, maternity support, adoption leave, career breaks, sick leave and allowances)
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Not three bad !! 2/3 of £36000 = £24,000 requires investment pot of £666,600 to fund at age 55
Or pension accrual of £21503 per annum for 31 years that is £1,790 per month. To put in context an annual salary today, no pension scheme, would require a gross of £29,275 to net £1,790 per month.... just to cover the above pension accrual requirement alone ... Please show me the investment where 11% of £36k (£3690 per annum tot £122k assuming max pay throughout - so would be less actually) would accrue £666k after 31 yrs ..
Phew .. blimey ... beats the private sector

 

[Thermo]

try working as a copper for 30 years then see if you deserve the pension, which youve paid for. Its about the only thing they havnt had taken away from them. Still thats publc sector for you, no christmas bonus, performance bonus, pay rise higher than inflation, holiday cancelled at short notice etc etc etc

Still if you want a whinge then look at the home office pensions, many of which are non contributary, or the mod police who pay 1% and get the same pension.


As for the copper speeding, deserves what he gets, however he effectivly gets done twice as he faces disciplinary action as well as what the court gives him, now is that fair compared to any other person who breaks the law?

 

[david and julie]

As for the copper speeding, deserves what he gets, however he effectivly gets done twice as he faces disciplinary action as well as what the court gives him, now is that fair compared to any other person who breaks the law?

Yes it's fair because he is in a position where he should practice what he preaches, he should be seen to be better and set a proper example. As regards losing ones job you could say exactly the same as someone who drives for a living.

A comparison could be a truck driver who is caught slightly over the limit when not on duty, should he lose both his car and LGV licence? We could say he is also getting punished twice.

Both of the are right because they have put other peoples lives at risk and should be punished for it.

 

[nstreet]

A case of 'do as we say, not as we do'

I doubt you or I would get off so lightly for those sorts of speeds. I think I read somewhere that if you are caught at more than double the speed limit its an automatic ban, late for a meeting or not.

 

[petewood]

Not three bad !! 2/3 of £36000 = £24,000 requires investment pot of £666,600 to fund at age 55
Or pension accrual of £21503 per annum for 31 years that is £1,790 per month. To put in context an annual salary today, no pension scheme, would require a gross of £29,275 to net £1,790 per month.... just to cover the above pension accrual requirement alone ... Please show me the investment where 11% of £36k (£3690 per annum tot £122k assuming max pay throughout - so would be less actually) would accrue £666k after 31 yrs ..
Phew .. blimey ... beats the private sector

AND they get all the best drugs!

 

[david and julie]

AND they get all the best drugs!

Any chance of backing up such a dumb comment?

 

[petewood]

Policemen always get the best drugs. Work it out

 

[david and julie]

We normally back up what we say though. You are tarring all police officers with the same brush which is wrong. Yes there will be some who are druggies, some will even be thieves too. To suggest they get the first choice on any retrieved drugs is taking it a bit far though.

 

[kendor]

We normally back up what we say though. You are tarring all police officers with the same brush which is wrong. Yes there will be some who are druggies, some will even be thieves too. To suggest they get the first choice on any retrieved drugs is taking it a bit far though.

Rather like you tarring all immigrants as spongers methinks now THATS what i call hypocritical

 

[felix]

AND they get all the best drugs!

No they don't, we do! If a rogue police officer did steal drugs they would be poor quality, adulterated black market drugs. I work in a hospital where top grade diamorphine (that's heroin to you) can be had by a really determined thief.

 

[petewood]

I work in a hospital where top grade diamorphine (that's heroin to you) can be had by a really determined thief.

Is this from the staff lockers?

 

[pipme]

I was merely using the policeman as an example of the horrendous pension commitments facing this country ..( note how only the statutory OAP problem is quoted by HMG ... )

I pointed out that the officer, after 31 years and finishing with a pensionable income of £36k p/a, would have needed to achieve a pension pot of £666,000 to produce £24k 2/3 annual pension.
This would require a level accrual of £1,790 per month throughout the 31 yrs to achieve £666,000, that pension accrual rate would require a separate job paying 29k per annum gross just to fund the pension requirement from the net income !!.

Throwing money at professions to suit a Govn policy at the time, is as bad as a terrorist planting a time-bomb .... Once pay is raised for a necessary service it can never be lowered ... false statistics as a basis for pay justification is yet another crime really - Conning the paying customer being endemic in good old rip-off Britain.
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