Lifespan of sockets etc.

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After an incident at my mothers where a ~38 year old socket went bang and issued smoke and flames after being switched on, I was wondering what sort of life span one could reasonably expect from a socket or light switch?

The issue seems to have been the switch in the socket itself, hard to see what happened as it was totally covered in black soot, but the switch contacts where welded in the closed position which would seem to suggest a current overload. However all the cables where securely held with the screw terminals. All the appliances are perfectly fine as far as I can tell, it is just a 4 way gang adaptor with, TV, PVR and stereo plugged in. The PVR was in a hung state so she was turning it on/off and it all went puff when she turned it back on, and they all still work.

Odd thing is neither the fuse in the any of the plugs or the even the MCB or RCD tripped (new consumer unit about 15 years ago). Crazily she pulled the plug out the wall for which she has been given a stern telling off about,

I have replaced a whole bunch of sockets, light switches etc. as a matter of precaution (basically anything dating from before the extension was done 38 years ago) and did an insulation resistance test on the wiring in the house, a portion of which is original from late 1960's which passed fine and all the bits I looked at where in good physical condition anyway. The four way gang adaptor passes the insulation resistance test as well.

Mother is original owner of the house from new, so the entire history is known. The only thing I can think of is that it is the socket my sister dropped a toy dolls knife down the back of a plug in 3 way cube thing back in the days before sleeved pins where mandated by BS1363 sorting live to earth, but that was 30 years ago.

I am at something of a loss to know why it went bang. For the record it was a double socket made by Ashley.

One thing I did note while replacing things is a lack of sleeving on the earth in a number of the older sockets and some sockets with both lugs adjustable but no earth fly lead to the back box. I was wondering if anyone knew when these became required?
 
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Things wear out, things weld.

There not much in life that as a manufactured item lasts 38 years.

Contacts pit, dust gets in, springs wear, rockers stop rocking. Screws loosen, wires corrode, weather due to temp change and where exposed UV.

50 Hz is rumoured to vibrate terminal screws.

You know all that though, and you likely know the suggested 10 year inspection routine-the old PIR's which are now EICR's We all know that few bother with such tests in the suggested time periods, but your Mums experience is the sort of thing that wakes up users to potential issues with a wearing system.

Imagine the TV socket switch being used 4 times a day x 365 x 38. I'd call that epic performance, more so when you consider the socket fired up a CRT TV for a high portion of its life.

I'd suggest that anyone who uses switches that often should be aware of ageing and do routine change before failure so your right to go round swapping out, more so all the frequent use and high load items.



Does the rcd get tested via the test button four times a year? Have you tried a user test on it?
 
I'd suggest that anyone who uses switches that often should be aware of ageing and do routine change before failure so your right to go round swapping out, more so all the frequent use and high load items.
... and maybe those sockets that get used very infrequently (virtually never), whose contacts may well corrode, without the benefit of the 'wiping' action of plugs being inserted and removed?

Kind Regards, John
Edit: crucial typo corrected
 
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You know all that though, and you likely know the suggested 10 year inspection routine-the old PIR's which are now EICR's We all know that few bother with such tests in the suggested time periods, but your Mums experience is the sort of thing that wakes up users to potential issues with a wearing system.

I do but what difference would an EICR make? The insulation resistance test passed, the other side of the socket was fine, there where no loose cables in the socket. Right up till the point when it went bang it worked just fine. Even dismantling some of the removed sockets of the same type that had much higher usage show no obvious signs of wear.

While in this house we can make very good estimations of the age of sockets etc. because one person has owned it since it was built and they still live there, that is an unusual situation.

Imagine the TV socket switch being used 4 times a day x 365 x 38. I'd call that epic performance, more so when you consider the socket fired up a CRT TV for a high portion of its life.

The socket gets much less use than that. Even since the introduction of the PVR once a week would be lucky.

I do note that MK guarantee their switches and sockets for 20 years, but just because something is out of guarantee one would not automatically expect to replace it. I get the feeling that there is no really satisfactory answer to the question.
 
Things wear out, things weld.
Imagine the TV socket switch being used 4 times a day x 365 x 38. I'd call that epic performance, more so when you consider the socket fired up a CRT TV for a high portion of its life

Must have been MK!!
 
It's called wear and tear, I think you need to accept 38 years isn't a bad in service life.

Have you checked the RCD function yet?
 
I once worked with a Scotsman who wanted me to look at his washing machine which had gone wrong. He said he couldn't understand why as it was only 15 years old !
 
It's called wear and tear, I think you need to accept 38 years isn't a bad in service life.

Have you checked the RCD function yet?

Sure 38 years is good for a service life, I guess the issue is given they don't last forever and given they can fail rather spectacularly and without any apparent issue right up till the point of failure, and that most home owners will have no idea how old a socket is what is the right way to approach the issue of "ageing" sockets and switches?

As for the RCD, yes it functions but as a DIY'er I don't have the test equipment to determine if all the disconnection times etc. are met. I have a Socket & See SOK36 which only does a functional RCD test and a cheap Chinese insulation tester from eBay; less than £40 delivered new. I also have a good quality multimeter as I tinker in doing electronics as well.

A full RCD tester costs more than I can justify as a DIY'er. I don't quite understand why the RCD testers are so expensive though, ~£90 for a cheap Chinese one on eBay. My gut instincts tell me they should be no more expensive than an insulation resistance tester.
 
I once worked with a Scotsman who wanted me to look at his washing machine which had gone wrong. He said he couldn't understand why as it was only 15 years old !
I have a washing machine, a dishwasher and a tumble drier which are all at least that old.
 
I once worked with a Scotsman who wanted me to look at his washing machine which had gone wrong. He said he couldn't understand why as it was only 15 years old !
I have a washing machine, a dishwasher and a tumble drier which are all at least that old.

Those were the days (my friend) I thought they'd never end, lah, la, la.


We factor in 5 years, 10 washes a week and Mr Hotpoints (or any other sub £300 unit) don't seem to want to last, throw away and buy again routine. Friends swear by the £750+ Whirlpools and the like.

Add in £75 a year warranty and at 15 years (£1900 odd) we could have up to 6 new units before more expensive units and warranty cover profits.
 
Ja, I just meant the simple button test via the rcd. It's exercise and a test, the bits in them suffer ageing and need a work out- most makes suggest quarterly user test.

If you want to dabble, sell your separates and find a decent (calibrated) MF unit on fleabay.
 

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