loft insulation

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We have loft boards with some blown insulation beneath them - I dont think there is very much of the blown stuff and I dont know how good a job its doing. Is there any point in laying more insulation above the boards? We dont want to take up the boards because its a big job. Grateful for any advice. :)
 
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If you seriously wish to insulate, then you should ensure that below any insulation you have, that there is an impervious //placstic sheet to rprevent moist air into passing into the loft where it will condense
 
I know you don't agree Freddy, but i think it's up to you to explain why physics is wrong about condensation/dew-point as well as all the BCO's who insist on foil-lined plasterboard etc
 
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thanks for the advice about a moisture barrier but what about the original question?!! Will insulating above the boards actually be effective (ie.will it provide decent insulation) or is there no point in insulating above boards? Thanks!
 
The boards are irrelevant as far as the insualtion is concerned ( apart from adding a little bit to the total insulation value).

Adding insulation above the boards will decrease heat-loss but only you can determine whether it is worth it ( cost/disturbance/inconvenience of floor covered by insulation).

Why don't you tell us how much existing insulation there is and what you use/want to use the loft for, if anything, so a more definite answer could be attempted..
 
I know you don't agree Freddy, but i think it's up to you to explain why physics is wrong about condensation/dew-point as well as all the BCO's who insist on foil-lined plasterboard etc
I hold my hands up and can offer no explanation other than the experience of many including myself with this set up who do not seem to have any problems with condensation.
 
Freddy

on some other subject i seem to recall you saying something like

"......for the sake of so little money, is it worth taking the risk ?"

Given that this can be a major headache to sort out once everything is installed, would you not agree that this is a good approach to adopt in regard to this subject, rather than betting on whether you are in/not in the set of circumstances where condensation occurs ?
 
Tis all about risk though and taking some historical post from somewhere would have been relevant to whatever risk I happened to be discussing in that thread and doesn't really apply here does it?

You do seem to be the only regular who insist on this approach though.
 
The more I think about it, the more I worry that we are being railroaded into installing too much insulation in old lofts.

For the last few weeks, the relative humidity outside has been at or close to 100%. Under these conditions, without heat, anything hygroscopic (like glass loft insulation) ventilated outside will get damp. A loft with 250 mm of insulation basically has to rely on solar heating to raise the air temperature, lower the humidity below 100% and allow damp timbers and matting to dry out.

At night, the situation is reversed. The air outside is cooling down and shedding moisture (dew). On a clear night, the roof faces outer space at about -270°C making it cooler than the air. Water can condense from the air inside the loft.

To prevent condensation, you need heat as well as ventilation. Inside the house, the wall surfaces should be kept 5°C above dew point. If you extended the same logic to lofts, the loft space should be kept 5°C warmer than outside (because dew is already forming outside). I don't think you need to go quite that far as the materials in a loft are different to those in the house.

As mountainwalker points out, most old ceilings do not have a vapour barrier. With a loft warmed by solar heat during the day, the air in the loft can accept extra humidity as it leaks through the ceiling (and evaporates from old cold tanks). On a cold night and 100% RH, this moisture will condense as it leaks.

So, with lots of insulation, a vapour barrier will help. I don't think it is always necessary to install a plastic sheet under the insulation. I'm dubious that putting sheeting over the top of the joists won't cause problems. Various paints on the ceiling can form a vapour barrier. These can be especially useful inside bathrooms and airing cupboards.
 
@ stefanleee

Sorry i can't because in the area i live ( Alps) cavity-walls are not constructed, also I have never seen any mention of it on any forums.

Once when I went into my local builders-merchants to try and get some wall-ties for an English builder friend, i had to spend a long time explaining what they were and then more time explaining why on earth you would want to build walls like that.

Older buildings had solid walls and newer ones are either:

a) Poured-comcrete or block shell, externally-lined with extruded polystyrene and then either stone-clad or rendered

b) PIFS

@ajr

Gosh I thought you were a sound man. Is R...... working on building fabrics now ?
 
Gosh I thought you were a sound man. Is R...... working on building fabrics now?
I was an engineer working in vehicle noise and vibration. I am currently doing up an 1825 flat. It has a slate lean-to roof over the bathroom with leaking flashing. I have the plasterboard down; it was soaked from rain and condensation (unsealed downlighters and sarking blocking the roof vents). I am thinking about safe ways forward when I put back the insulation.

My sister has lived in Sweden for 30 years, so I suppose I have a longer history with insulation than most. I acknowledge that I probably spend too much time up my own backside. ;)
 

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