Mounting ikea heavy cabinets on a weak wall

[adi_jo]

Hi everyone , I am so happy i found this community online. I have a thermal brick wall from the 70s. As you see in the pictures, it has a window roughly 70×50 cm. The depth is almost 7.5 cm without the mortar layer. On the other side of the wall there are the Wc and the bathroom ( two rooms with a splitting wall -the position is overlayed by the green bar 8n the image). I am planning to mount ikea cabinets as seen in the pictures, and I am wondering if the walll can bear thier weight ( each one empty I'd around 30 Kg==> 90 KG when empty). Considering also some electrical work and piping might be needed. Any ideas about a cheap way to reinforce or strengthen it? I though of wire mesh and a layer of mortar, or a steel horizontal bar supported by a vertical one. I would love hearing your opinions.
Last note: excuse my bad English as its not my native language.

 

[adi_jo]

I forgot to attach the wall Pic. Here it is

 

[noseall]

Hi everyone , I am so happy i found this community online. I have a thermal brick wall from the 70s. As you see in the pictures, it has a window roughly 70×50 cm. The depth is almost 7.5 cm without the mortar layer. On the other side of the wall there are the Wc and the bathroom ( two rooms with a splitting wall -the position is overlayed by the green bar 8n the image). I am planning to mount ikea cabinets as seen in the pictures, and I am wondering if the walll can bear thier weight ( each one empty I'd around 30 Kg==> 90 KG when empty). Considering also some electrical work and piping might be needed. Any ideas about a cheap way to reinforce or strengthen it? I though of wire mesh and a layer of mortar, or a steel horizontal bar supported by a vertical one. I would love hearing your opinions.
Last note: excuse my bad English as its not my native language.

Clay pot!

 

[blup]

Suitable cavity wall fixings or a build a wooden frame if there is room. Where did you get tne 4 pin socket?

 

[JohnD]

You can get a steel strip with numerous screw holes that allow the load to be spread along the wall, and the cabinets hung on it. It is Cabinet Hanging Rail, also called DIN rail. I do not know what it is called in Austria, it is available in 3 metre lengths but often sold in smaller pieces for the convenience of sending by post. The longer the better so it spreads the load. The type of brick in your picture is not usual here, you would do better to ask nearer your home.

Cabinet Hanging Rail for sale | eBay

Find great deals on eBay for Cabinet Hanging Rail. Shop with confidence.

www.ebay.co.uk

IKEA cabinet fixings are not to our usual standard, there may be an IKEA accessory.

On weak partition walls, we sometimes fix a large sheet of ply or strand board to the entire wall, and plasterboard over that, and screw into the board

I strongly recommend against chasing out the wall for pipes or cables. Instead, run them along the surface, probably at low level below worktop height where they will not be visually intrusive.

Or as blue suggests, a wooden frame. You can stand it on the floor and use multiple screws to fix it to the walls and ceiling to prevent it toppling.

 

[adi_jo]

You can get a steel strip with numerous screw holes that allow the load to be spread along the wall, and the cabinets hung on it. It is Cabinet Hanging Rail, also called DIN rail. I do not know what it is called in Austria, it is available in 3 metre lengths but often sold in smaller pieces for the convenience of sending by post. The longer the better so it spreads the load. The type of brick in your picture is not usual here, you would do better to ask nearer your home.

Cabinet Hanging Rail for sale | eBay

Find great deals on eBay for Cabinet Hanging Rail. Shop with confidence.

www.ebay.co.uk

IKEA cabinet fixings are not to our usual standard, there may be an IKEA accessory.

On weak partition walls, we sometimes fix a large sheet of ply or strand board to the entire wall, and plasterboard over that, and screw into the board

I strongly recommend against chasing out the wall for pipes or cables. Instead, run them along the surface, probably at low level below worktop height where they will not be visually intrusive.

Or as blue suggests, a wooden frame. You can stand it on the floor and use multiple screws to fix it to the walls and ceiling to prevent it toppling.

Thank you for the reply. I will try not to run the pipes and the cables within the wall. But we have to do to at least for one cable, can't just cover this cable with cement, or do you think this would compromise the integrity of the wall.

and yes, you're right, here they have this hanging rail

METOD suspension rail, galvanised, 200 cm - IKEA Austria

METOD suspension rail, galvanised, 200 cm Don’t worry about mounting and aligning kitchen cabinets – this suspension rail makes it simple and safe. Just fasten the rail to the wall first, then hang the cabinets on the rail, easy and convenient.

www.ikea.com

Do you think, this is strong enough to bear the cabinets and their content weight ?


I was thinking about two things also: - filling the window with bricks and add a wire mesh on top with a layer of mortar around the opened window, maybe also adding a strand board all over the upper part of the wall. - then adding a steel bar behind the hanging rail along the whole wall and and attached to the side walls with screws, in order to try to distribute some of the cabinet weight to the side walls.

do you think this might by sufficient? Or maybe better demolish and build a new wall, where the cost could be far much higher!

 

[adi_jo]

Suitable cavity wall fixings or a build a wooden frame if there is room. Where did you get tne 4 pin socket?

thanks, could you please send a link or a picture of the proposed wooden frame, because I don't see this in Austria that much.

The 4 pin socket came with the apartment. It was an old apartment from the late 60s early 70s. Many interesting stuff !!

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

The strongest way, is to drill all the way through the wall, then use bolts/studs, nuts and washers. If necessary, in place of washers, at the opposite side of the wall, you could use a strip of steel. Chop that, into the plaster at the back, then you can simply plaster over the top, hiding it all from view.

 

[blup]

thanks, could you please send a link or a picture of the proposed wooden frame, because I don't see this in Austria that much.

The 4 pin socket came with the apartment. It was an old apartment from the late 60s early 70s. Many interesting stuff !!

Its a suggestion not a design, 4 x 2 should suffice.

 

[freddiemercurystwin]

I wonder what the locals do, if different to any of the above ....

 

[JohnD]

Thank you for the reply. I will try not to run the pipes and the cables within the wall. But we have to do to at least for one cable, can't just cover this cable with cement, or do you think this would compromise the integrity of the wall.

Yes of course. The wall has three thin webs. You propose cutting one of them out.

 

[freddiemercurystwin]

I believe this is the Fischer recommended product for those types of bricks if fixing directly to the wall: https://www.fischer-si.si/sl-si/pro.../injection-mortar/injection-mortar-fis-v-zero

 

[securespark]

This flat is not in the UK, is it?

 

[freddiemercurystwin]

His country (flag) is down as Austria.

 

[adi_jo]

This flat is not in the UK, is it?

No, this is Vienna Austria. The type of bricks is widely common here.