name of ceiling fitting

[ladwey]

Hi -- I'm installing three ceiling lights in a workshop. They're old lights from a barn and each hangs on a chain. I'm going to hang them from the joist that runs along the length of the pitched roof. I understand the wiring diagram for the circuit, what cable to use, etc., but I just don't know the name of the fitting that I should use. The lights don't have their own ceiling roses -- just a wire coming out of the top. Please could you let me know the name of the thing I should be getting from Screwfix that will screw on to the joist & where I can put a cable in at one side & a cable out at the other to go on to the next light? Thank you!

 

[yorksbuilder]

You said it, ceiling rose.

Your wiring doesn't go in one side and out the other, it it to go in and out of the back of this:

https://www.screwfix.com/p/british-general-ceiling-rose-light-fitting-white-3-/28345?ref=SFAppShare

 

[ladwey]

Thanks for getting back to me! Sorry not to have explained myself properly -- the cable is going to have to run along the surface of the joist and the fitting is going to have to be mounted directly on the joist, as it's a pretty simple timber framed building with all the framing exposed. Like a much more primitive version of the attached photo. So there's no void above where the cables will go.

 

[yorksbuilder]

Galvanised conduit and conduit boxes. Your ceiling roses will fix to the conduit boxes.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/deta-2-way-20mm-through-conduit-box-galvanised/6064j?ref=SFAppShare

 

[ladwey]

Just the ticket, thank you so much mate

 

[RandomGrinch]

As above, I'd go for galvanised conduit and boxes, but it may also be worth considering a conduit ceiling rose with hook.
Something like...

Conduit Ceiling Rose with Chain

Industrial Hooked Ceiling Fitting (Rose) with chain A clean galvanised ceiling fitting. With the addition of a suspension hook. Also included is a cable strain relief. The design style celebrates factory styles of the mid 20th century. Galvanized conduit was used due to it's durability, though...

www.tungstenglowlighting.co.uk

Other styles/prices are available.

 

[ladwey]

That looks good I think. I think I'll use the black conduit; I'd been thinking about galvanised conduit but started to fret about having to spend too much time sitting down with the die set trying to get it to fit -- plus I wasn't sure if I'd have to earth it & if so how. I can follow a diagram but I'm not an electrician and want to keep things as simple as I can.

 

[trojanhawrs]

These wiska boxes would be a good match with black conduit. You will need 20mm conduit adapters which can thread into each end of the box, you can use stuffing glands to enter your light cable more securely but can also just push through the membrane if it's not at risk of being pulled out. Pack of 3 way wagos will make life a bit easier too.

 

[ericmark]

I found holding a lamp and wiring up as same time hard so I used these were done in chrome too, not seen them for some time now, but there are other plug in ceiling roses which will do the same job.

 

[JohnW2]

I found holding a lamp and wiring up as same time hard View attachment 369298 so I used these View attachment 369299 were done in chrome too, ....

... and in brass. I have a lot of them in my house, mainly installed about 35 years ago, and I use them both 'verticsally' as well as the intended 'horizontally' - as in this one bearing an uplighter, a little below the ceiling ....

not seen them for some time now, but there are other plug in ceiling roses which will do the same job.

Yes, as you say, although that particular type/design seems to have disappeared, there are plenty of modern things which do mych the same job, but necessarily quite so well!

 

[FrodoOne]

I found holding a lamp and wiring up as same time hard View attachment 369298 so I used these View attachment 369299 were done in chrome too, not seen them for some time now, but there are other plug in ceiling roses which will do the same job.

Maestro Plug-In ceiling roses have been Discontinued.

However, this site
https://www.fusionelectricalsupplies.com/index.php/cable-accessories/ceiling-maestro.html
claims to have at least one In Stock.

 

[Sureitsoff?]

What's wrong in using ordinary ceiling roses to connect the light flex to and fixing the chain straight to the joist? Simples!

 

[ericmark]

What's wrong in using ordinary ceiling roses to connect the light flex to and fixing the chain straight to the joist? Simples!

not seen a hook in ordinary ceiling rose. and it is a darn sight easier to wire on the ground then plug in. I can swap my chandeliers between dining room and living in minutes, would not dream trying without the plug in ceiling rose.

This was the first type I used, in offices, as we could swap light fittings without turning the lights off. We had 2' square ceiling panels, some of them lights, we could swap them with minium disruption of those working in the room.

Be it just take down to clean, or swap the whole fitting plug in ceiling roses work well. The Maestro however is the only one I have seen with hooks. The one shown the 4 pin would fit in the 5 pin but could never source 5 pin bases, and they fit neat on a conduit box.

 

[Deryck Tintagel]

What's wrong in using ordinary ceiling roses to connect the light flex to and fixing the chain straight to the joist? Simples!

I was thinking the same - some sort of eye or hook for the chain and wire a flex to the light fitting from a ceiling rose. I remember my dad's workshop where he had exactly that with the 6' twin fluorescent fitting on chains from the centre of the pitched roof - flex to the fitting and rose on the rafter. Much easier if you are not bothered about aesthetics

 

[JohnW2]

What's wrong in using ordinary ceiling roses to connect the light flex to and fixing the chain straight to the joist? Simples!

Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I suspect that a good few people might regard it as less aesthetically pleasing than having some sort of 'rose' that had a hook.