pan connector puzzle

[nodcm2001]

I have been browsing this site for the last couple of years - it has been a great help for all of my diy issues, but this one is the biggest yet...

I live in a flat that has a bathroom and a separate WC, and I would like to fit a sink in the WC.

To fit the sink in, I need to move the toilet to the left (I only have 1110mm wall to wall width), but I can't figure out how to fit the pan connector as well as a waste for the new basin. I used to have a toilet with a side exit waste pipe. The old toilet cracked so I replaced it using a flexible pan connector...

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• nodcm2001
• 22 Mar 2010
• 1

So I want to cut the 110mm cast iron soil pipe right back to the wall (with a ratchet cutter from a tool hire shop), re-route all of the copper plumbing that is in the picture and move the toilet to the left so that the spigot on the back of the toilet is in line with the edge of the white paint.

The problem is that the offset between the soil pipe and the spigot will be 261mm (centres).

Is it possible to make this connection, as well as some kind of a waste fitting for the basin waste?

I would be really grateful for your help!

 

[picasso]

is this what your after
http://www.plumbers-mate-sales.co.u...with-1-14-universal-boss---40005039-460-p.asp
if it is connect to the existing stack with a fernco 90 and a bit of 4 inch and then the pan connector.

 

[nodcm2001]

Maybe the Flexible 90 Degree Pan Connecter with 1 1/4" Universal Boss - 40005050 would work - I would need to go left out of the back of the toilet then take a right turn into the soil pipe (once I have cut it back to the wall).

However.. would the toilet flush cause back flow in the sink if the boss was mounted horizontally?

When I see the pictures of pan connectors with bosses, the boss is always on the top and the pan connector pointing downwards. I would install is it sideways.

And I still think it will be a bit tight with the 261mm soil pipe to spigot offset..

 

[picasso]

I would use this to connect to your existing pipe
http://www.watertradeproducts.co.uk/acatalog/Elbows.html
a 4 inch spigot elbow will then let you use a straight pan connector with an inch and a quarter boss.

 

[dextrous]

I take it it's not possible to cut the pipe outside the building and create a new exit hole for the soil pipe?

Would it be easier to angle the WC at 45 degrees into the corner and box in the soil pipe etc?

 

[tamz]

Quality work

Do it properly and cut it through the wall in line with the WC and alter the cast outside.

Pity the poor bstard who buys this house after you move.

EDIT
Sorry Dex just noticed your post above.

 

[nodcm2001]

Thanks for your advice so far!

unfortunately, the bathroom is the other side of the wall. The internal soil/vent pipe is boxed in behind the sink in the bathroom -there is no way that I can move the soil pipe. This is the plan that I got from the estate agent when I bought the place.

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• nodcm2001
• 23 Mar 2010
• 1

I removed the paneling in the WC to open up a void that used to house some water tanks. - it's been a mess for two years!

Dex - that's a good idea, but I would prefer not to angle the toilet- the space is so narrow that it would look a bit strange.

Tamz - can't afford to move, so the poor bastard that has to live here is me I really want to do a proper job but I think it is pretty tough!

Picasso -Connecting to the existing soile pipe at the second collar would only be possible if I move the toilet forward, but there is really limited space - it is 1350mm front to back.

Do you have any other ideas?

Cheers!

 

[gigz]

Is this possible

 

[tamz]

It may surprise you just how much space a corner WC will give you. It only projects 575mm from the walls and 710mm out from the corner. You can get the seat angled to the right (or left if you like) so you would face the door.
You may even have room for a small hand basin too.
Have a look at this. The sizes are there too.
http://www.homesupply.co.uk/ideal_standard_space_close_coupled_corner_wc_suite=E7172-E7204.htm

 

[mikej2005]

Here's something to think about - do you really need a separate WC ?

I'd be tempted to turn the two rooms into a modern family bathroom, which would give you more space to play with, avoid the need to have two sinks and give you a much simpler layout.

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• mikej2005
• 24 Mar 2010
• 1

bathroom suggestion

 

[nodcm2001]

Thank you for all of these great ideas, it's great to get so many replies!

I think that the room is too narrow to have the toilet going accross- the shortest toilet I can find is 610mm, so that would leave 500mm from the from of the WC to the wall. Not a nice view.

I prefer a separate wc because it is the only toilet in the flat so I will leave the wall where it is.

I am warming to the idea of the corner WC - the pan exit would be in a neat position. Not sure if there would be space for the sink waste boss connection. And the set up would look a bit funny with the square sink that I have already bought (400x400mm from ikea)..

So my prefered choice would be to attempt this to use one of these:

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• nodcm2001
• 22 Mar 2010
• 1

To move the toilet from here:

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• nodcm2001
• 22 Mar 2010
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to the left and add a basin like this:

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• nodcm2001
• 24 Mar 2010
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Do you think it would work?

Thanks!