Panorama - The Smart Meter mess

[securespark]

noseall will deny that anyone ever said they were secure.

I did!

I think that is stating the obvious, nothing is completely secure.

I am!

 

[noseall]

I did!

I am!

Good morning Secure.

 

[securespark]

Top of the morning to you too, Squire!

 

[motorbiking]

I do understand a SM is simply a meter yes. And continues to be a meter just like my old meter even though it has stopped singing and dancing, yes.
I do understand a SM can be turned off - yes.

I do understand that millions of analogue meters were replaced with pre-pay meters yes and you attempted to make out that was a SM issue and you looked a tw@ - yes.

I do understand you tried to ridicule another poster when he said getting a court order to enter a home was easy, when in fact millions of these orders were waived through - yes. The poster was correct and you looked a tw@ - again.

I do understand that a SM is no different to a dumb meter in terms of the processes leading to being cut off - yes.

I do understand you are no more likely to be cut off or switched to pre-pay with either meter - yes.

I do understand that OFGEM paused meter switching but lacked the authority to impose a permanent ban, were not in favour of a permanent ban, and the practice has resumed - yes.

sounds like you didn't understand anything.

 

[gas112]

re gas we wont all be forced to have them they will be too busy changing all the existing smart meters when they have either developed a fault or the unchangeable batteries within them give up.

 

[gas112]

For the so called smart meter experts in here if the gas smart meter just turns off for no reason as is a really common problem do you think they should just communicate with it from the office and turn it back on no need to manually visit the job thus saving on down time and manpower?

 

[bernardgreen]

I do understand a SM is simply a meter yes.

Then what is the purpose of the relay inside the "meter". A relay that when energised will disconnect the Live supply to the house.

I do understand that a SM is no different to a dumb meter in terms of the processes leading to being cut off - yes.

Your understanding is incorrect

With a "dumb" meter one has to visit the meter location and remove the DNO fuse from the cutout.

With a "smart meter" that has the disconnection relay there is no need to visit the meter location,

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

re gas we wont all be forced to have them they will be too busy changing all the existing smart meters when they have either developed a fault or the unchangeable batteries within them give up.

For the so called smart meter experts in here if the gas smart meter just turns off for no reason as is a really common problem do you think they should just communicate with it from the office and turn it back on no need to manually visit the job thus saving on down time and manpower?

You do realise, don't you, that the battery has to be working, for the gas to be switched off, or record consumption?

Once again... By far the most prevalent faults, are the IHD failing to connect, or the comms back to base failing to connect, and report meter readings. Basically, that needs the customer, to revert back to reporting readings.

 

[gas112]

You do realise, don't you, that the battery has to be working, for the gas to be switched off, or record consumption?

Once again... By far the most prevalent faults, are the IHD failing to connect, or the comms back to base failing to connect, and report meter readings. Basically, that needs the customer, to revert back to reporting readings.

1 no shyte sherlock and what do you mean for the gas to be switched off ?
2 try answering the actual question

 

[noseall]

Your understanding is incorrect

With a "dumb" meter one has to visit the meter location and remove the DNO fuse from the cutout.

With a "smart meter" that has the disconnection relay there is no need to visit the meter location,

Read my post again, when you are sober.

The processes leading up to be cut off are exactly the same for both meters.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

1 no shyte sherlock and what do you mean for the gas to be switched off ?
2 try answering the actual question

Stop sniffing the gas sherlock, it's having a serious detrimental effect on your mind..

 

[gas112]

Stop sniffing the gas sherlock, it's having a serious detrimental effect on your mind..

so thats a you havent got a clue , glad you cleared that up

 

[noseall]

Basically, that needs the customer, to revert back to reporting readings.

You'd think that would please the luddites seeing as they yearn to be able to read their own meter and send the reading in manually.

FFS.

 

[gas112]

Read my post again, when you are sober.

The processes leading up to be cut off are exactly the same for both meters.

so your saying the process right up to the meter actually being cut off is the same

 

[ajohn]

The gas meters may also have a facility to disconnect. In a simple world just like the electric ones they could just collect and transmit data. Instead they have sat down and thought what else could we do with them. LOL It's called progress. Most pay their bills so the extras probably do not see much use really.

There are indications that the suppliers are much like some commercial companies - they can be inclined to not do what they are supposed to do by being awkward with customers.

There are a number of suppliers. I wonder what brand of smart meters they use and if fault info is being collected centrally to see if any makes are better than others. There are a number of major brands

Top Players in the Smart Electric Meter Companies

The smart roll out was slow due to the need for fitters. If some are more reliable now than others that are already fitted that will be a limitation again.

I suspect my smarts went in around the time when the original meters needed to be changed after a set number of years use.