Peugeot Partner Teepee Engine Clacking.

[conny]

I have a Peugeot Partner Teepee 1.6 CDi car which has developed a 'clacking' noise.
It seems to be coming from the top of the engine.
Anyone give me any pointers as to what it may be please?
I've checked the oil level, which was midway but I topped up anyway as I thought it may be a dry, moving, component.

 

[Mottie]

Does it clack when ticking over or when driving under load?

 

[conny]

Ticking over and increases as I rev the engine.

It's been mentioned it could be the cam follower seals or the cam lifters.
More worried about cost of repairs than actual fault because just had to spend out on my wife's car before Christmas.

 

[Mottie]

It does sound like cam/followers.

 

[Burnerman]

Is this the 1.6 Hdi engine, conny?
What mileage has it done......Id consider one of the many valve lifter treatments first- lifter replacement is a job that can be done with the engine in the car although it means removing the camshaft and the carrier it runs in, which is quite involved.
With this engine, only the best lube will do with a yearly or 10000 mile change....5/30 is the one.
John

 

[conny]

Yes John. 1.6 HDi Think mileage is around the 88k on a 60 registration so I think mileage is below average, if that makes any difference.

 

[Munroast]

i have one of these engines too, last year an injector seal failed and that had an unusual noise (I would not of described t as clacking) the main sympton was fumes in the cabin when station with engine on.

agree with @Burnerman about this engine and oil. I change the oil and filter every year and it only does about 4k

 

[Burnerman]

So long as the oil change interval has been adhered to, I wouldnt worry too much.....this engine is much stronger than the early ones but I have seen the odd leaking injector. This shows up with noise and fumes under the bonnet, beneath the acoustic hood.
I like Castrol Edge in this one, and you could try a can of lifter rejunevator such as Wynns or STP too.
Of course, we haven’t heard this particular noise but it does sound like the lifters.
When its timing belt change time you’ll get a new tensioner too, which rules any noises out there.
John

 

[conny]

I did notice some fumes when I fired it up with the bonnet open. If it is the injector seals is this a big, (expensive), job for a garage to tackle?

 

[Burnerman]

Well, that’s interesting conny! In daylight, remove the engine acoustic shield and youll see the shiny steel pipes leading from the common rail tube to each of the four injectors.
If an injector is leaking, you’ll generally see some oil and gunge in the injector wells and maybe hear and see some chuffing......your engine should be fume free.
A repair is simple, if not always straightforward......out comes the injector, a new copper washer is fitted to its base and then its clamped back in - job done.
However .......sometimes the injector gets gummed in place and wont easily come out. Special tools cover this one to shake it free.
Ideally the pipe leading from the common rail to the injector should be renewed, as does the injector clamp.
Personally Id ask at your garage if they have seen this one before ( most have) and ask their opinion, but if there is no injector leak then no further work is necessary.
Be lucky! The job shouldnt cost much (famous last words!)
John

 

[Munroast]

I did notice some fumes when I fired it up with the bonnet open. If it is the injector seals is this a big, (expensive), job for a garage to tackle?

Cost me £54 (40 labour + 14 parts)

think he got lucky and the injector popped straight out, don't think that happens every time so keep your fingers crossed - best of luck.

Well, that’s interesting conny! In daylight, remove the engine acoustic shield and youll see the shiny steel pipes leading from the common rail tube to each of the four injectors.
If an injector is leaking, you’ll generally see some oil and gunge in the injector wells and maybe hear and see some chuffing......your engine should be fume free.
A repair is simple, if not always straightforward......out comes the injector, a new copper washer is fitted to its base and then its clamped back in - job done.
However .......sometimes the injector gets gummed in place and wont easily come out. Special tools cover this one to shake it free.
Ideally the pipe leading from the common rail to the injector should be renewed, as does the injector clamp.
Personally Id ask at your garage if they have seen this one before ( most have) and ask their opinion, but if there is no injector leak then no further work is necessary.
Be lucky! The job shouldnt cost much (famous last words!)
John

I have heard of folk just loosening them and running the engine, apparently that sometimes eases them out, one bloke reckons he drove about for a week until it moved (made up story I reckon?). Also heard a horror story of a one stuck in a wagon, had to get a specialist with specialist equipment down from fife or somewhere, 2.5k to pull it.

 

[Burnerman]

There are various methods employed here, as folks gather more experience.....the most common is a slide hammer device that clamps onto the injector and is operated by an impact gun. This is left in place for a few hours even and the injector eventually gives up and comes out.
Another actually machines the injector away (new cylinder head time really) so that's a none starter and another method was to twist the injector out. Give me the first method any time, and there are mobile crews around that offer this service.
Personally I've been lucky, with my massive experience (4 injectors) and they have all come out with little bother.....1 Audi, 2 Ford and 1 PSA. Unfortunately one of the Ford ones (1.4 Tdci) didn't seal up afterwards so I had to pass that one on. The technique there was to have the head off and spot face the injector seat on a milling machine but whether the car got that far I don't know.
John

 

[securespark]

Weren't the TDCi and the HDi the same design?

 

[Burnerman]

I believe they are, differences being largely in the inlet and exhaust manifolds as far as I’m aware which also includes turbo installation, air filters etc.
John

 

[conny]

Thanks for all the replies guys, most of which went over my head because I know naff all about car engines. LOL

Good news is, the village mechanic popped along this morning after I had gone to work in my son in laws car, had a listen to it on my drive and said it sounded like a leaky injector. Drove back to his workshop at the other end of the village. Popped it back a few hours later, all fixed and no charge. My wife insisted he take something so he said next time I'm passing drop something in his charity box for terminally ill children. So it's £20 going in the box tomorrow morning and he had 3 jars of home made jam plonked in his partners lap as they went to drive off.