Re ideal accent flush diaphragm change ?

[joesoap13]

Hi Guys, I have an Ideal accent close coupled single flush toilet cistern , with side handle,and it won’t flush!
Presume it is the diaphragm .
Don’t know what the part is called , other than diaphragm ?
Does the whole flush system have to come out of the cystern to replace it, which means the whole toilet has to come out to get at it in a corner .
Never changed one before.
Any advice would be most grateful.

 

[Newboy]

Depends on the type of flush valve - if it's a two-part siphon then you don't need to remove complete siphon to replace the diaphragm. If it's a one-piece siphon then the cistern needs to come off the pan to enable you to remove the siphon.

Post a phot of the cistern internals - it might be possible to see what's fitted.

If you do replace the siphon then fit a two-part replacement so that hext time you don't have to remove the cistern (Dudley turbo88 for example)

 

[joesoap13]

Thanks newboy for reply.
I am useless at posting pics, don’t know how?
I will try if you are to tell me how .
it looks to me to be in one piece !
I was just looking at the Dudley turbo 88.
I have had the suite over 24 years.
Flipping expensive, over £200 for a new seat, had three in the past under warrantee!
So it’s best to replace the whole flushing system, siphon,than just the diaphragm ?
Does the Dudley 88 fit mine ?
Does it have all
I need in it ?
If I have to split the cystern from the pan, then I will have to cut the metal bracket pins that hold it together as they are rusted , so I will require new one of them etc ?

 

[Newboy]

If it's a one-piece siphon then I'd replace the complete siphon with a new one that's serviceable without the need to remove the cistern. Check the existing siphon carefully - if there's a plastic ring around the ascending leg of the siphon then it can indicate that the siphon can be split. It's worth trying to upload a photo before going to the trouble of splitting a cistern/pan!

The Dudley duo 88 is a decent siphon - you need to match the siphon height with the one that's already installed - if you get the variable height version then that's the simplest route.

If the cistern hasn't been split from the pan in 24 years then there's a chance you may have some difficulty in getting the coupling apart and may need to replace both the coupling and the doughnut washer.

 

[joesoap13]

Thanks again.I will try to find out how to post a pic.
cannot feel a ring!
had the whole toilet out several times, but never split it,hope the wing nuts don,t shear !
is the Dudley duo 88 ok for right side handle ?
Good of you to help.

 

[Newboy]

is the Dudley duo 88 ok for right side handle ?

Could be tight!

I will try to find out how to post a pic.

Worth the effort

had the whole toilet out several times

Obvious question - why?

 

[dilalio]

Splitting a 24 year old cc... Probably be better off getting a whole new bog.

 

[joesoap13]

Splitting a 24 year old cc... Probably be better off getting a whole new bog.

Thought about it, but it is one of a suite and in a corner, one of the costliest they make , even though it gives me grief with seat screws shearing and as I said,£220 for new one.
Yet siphon. Had lasted 24+ years !
i am still trying to find how to post a pic.It
Condenses like hell,I put a jacket on it now.
Might have to replace it .
Getting one to fit in the corner is problem.
It will be easier to take it out to work o n it, 5 mins to do that
luckily I have two loos.

 

[joesoap13]

 

[joesoap13]

Don,t know if these help.
Ignore first, test
as you can see, even lagged inside to try to stop condensation, no good though.

 

[HERTS P&D]

This would fit:

https://www.screwfix.com/p/fluidmaster-universal-dual-flush-siphon-179mm/3224p

Andy

 

[HERTS P&D]

Also one of these:

https://www.screwfix.com/p/fluidmaster-bottom-entry-brass-shank-fill-valve/47792

Andy

 

[HERTS P&D]

And not forgetting:

https://www.screwfix.com/p/euroflo-...VhobVCh3oTgvfEAQYBSABEgKBFPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

https://www.screwfix.com/p/arctic-products-prestex-tap-connector-washers-5-pack/1109j

Andy

 

[joesoap13]

This would fit:

https://www.screwfix.com/p/fluidmaster-universal-dual-flush-siphon-179mm/3224p

Andy

thanks andy, got screw fix local,£20 job d one, cheaper than new loo, sprayed wingnuts with oil overnight to so they ,Might, not shear

 

[dilalio]

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Did you drop your phone in the cistern?