Renault master 2004 not starting

[camerart]

Hi,
This morning my Renault Master 2500 2004 won't start.
Plenty of fuel, plenty of battery.
I've trying the hand fuel pump.
This has happened 2x before, then started.

When the ignition is ready to start, the red light flashes constantly.

Any ideas please?

It just started, so I can get home, phew.

Cheers, Camerart

 

[Burnerman]

Usually an immobiliser issue, try locking the doors, opening them again then immediately trying for a start.
John

 

[camerart]

Usually an immobiliser issue, try locking the doors, opening them again then immediately trying for a start.
John

Hi J,
Possible, but as you can see, it did start after 10 mins, and one suggestion is the fuel filter, that I have to admit I didn't change this year.
Thanks, C

 

[Burnerman]

For sure, it can’t do any harm.....it’s the flashing lamp that gets me.
A new crank position sensor is also a good move, especially if the fault seems temperature related.
John

 

[camerart]

For sure, it can’t do any harm.....it’s the flashing lamp that gets me.
A new crank position sensor is also a good move, especially if the fault seems temperature related.
John

Hi J,
What does the flashing light get you?

The light is always flashing when it is locked, then as the key is turned it goes full on, (If I'm correct,) then goes off when happy, and start.

This is when it has been stood overnight, so cold, I doubt it is the crank position sensor.
C

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

On some vehicles, the tacho needle will bounce up and down, when cranking/ if it fails to start. No bounce suggests crank sensor not working.

 

[camerart]

On some vehicles, the tacho needle will bounce up and down, when cranking/ if it fails to start. No bounce suggests crank sensor not working.

Hi H,
I've never seen any movement on anything while starting, but I'll watch closer next time.
C

 

[camerart]

Hi,
I've been told this is something to do with the immobiliser, but I haven't figured out quite what's happening.

When the key is out and locked, the led flashes periodically. When I put the key in it noramlly goes out and I can start it, but sometimes it flashes quickly, when it is still immobilised.
Either the key is worn so doen't push a switch, or there is an RFID chip which talks to the van when I put it in the keyhole, I'm not sure.
C

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Either the key is worn so doen't push a switch, or there is an RFID chip which talks to the van when I put it in the keyhole, I'm not sure.

The RFID chip is around the size of a grain of rice, needs no power or battery and is inserted in the plastic part of the key. It is read by a coil, which is fitted around the ignition key hole. Wrapping the plastic part of the key with aluminium cooking foil, should prevent the chip being read and the vehicle will not start because of the immobiliser.

What some people do as a botch - is take the chip out of a working key and stick it close to the ignition lock, so spare key can be cut and used without need to go to the manufacturer for a key with a chip.

 

[camerart]

The RFID chip is around the size of a grain of rice, needs no power or battery and is inserted in the plastic part of the key. It is read by a coil, which is fitted around the ignition key hole. Wrapping the plastic part of the key with aluminium cooking foil, should prevent the chip being read and the vehicle will not start because of the immobiliser.

What some people do as a botch - is take the chip out of a working key and stick it close to the ignition lock, so spare key can be cut and used without need to go to the manufacturer for a key with a chip.

Hi H,
At this late date, I have finally figured out to ask Renault! I was told about this RFID chip, but he said to change the batteries in the key. I know about these chips, and that they don't need power, so I wonder if he is correct? One thing is that it probaly does need a bettery, so maybe he is correct.

P.S In a similar way to how the RFID work, spies use similar technology, where a transmitter sends power and DATA to the secret chip inside a building, which wakes up and listens to the room or whatever it is designed to do, then transmits back.
Because there is no power they are difficult to find as they are asleep till woken up. Scary!
C

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

At this late date, I have finally figured out to ask Renault! I was told about this RFID chip, but he said to change the batteries in the key. I know about these chips, and that they don't need power, so I wonder if he is correct? One thing is that it probaly does need a bettery, so maybe he is correct.

If he is right - I don't think he is, but worth a try. You will see the RFID chip inside, just clipped into the plastic. The battery is only to power the remote control to lock/unlock the doors.

 

[Mr Chibs]

Had problems starting mine last week, and I think it was the brake pedal switch.
I took it out, a blow and reset, all seems good now, starts every time. Mine has quickshift6 box.

https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/...’t-turn-over-start.580357/page-3#post-5084242

 

[camerart]

If he is right - I don't think he is, but worth a try. You will see the RFID chip inside, just clipped into the plastic. The battery is only to power the remote control to lock/unlock the doors.

Hi H,
The plastic is a replacement for my broken key, cheap and no technology (RFID)

I split the key ring, so two sides of plastic, one with the key, plus a PCB with battery.
Tried the key without the PCB, error Tried the key with the PCB, no error. Tried the key with the PCB minus battery, no error.

I think I see the RFID antenna, as it goes the long way round a to b, and is viad each side of the PCB.

So you're correct, but the RFID is on the PCB.
Cheers, C.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I think I see the RFID antenna, as it goes the long way round a to b, and is viad each side of the PCB.

Not convinced. That will be the remote control antenna.

So you're correct, but the RFID is on the PCB.

No reason why it would be mounted on the PCB. Try leaving the PCB out and starting it with just the metal part of the key, then try it again with just the plastic part near the ignition lock (no PCB) - if it then starts, its in the plastic.

This sort of thing, though modern ones are much tinnier... The size of a grain of rice...

 

[camerart]

Not convinced. That will be the remote control antenna.



No reason why it would be mounted on the PCB. Try leaving the PCB out and starting it with just the metal part of the key, then try it again with just the plastic part near the ignition lock (no PCB) - if it then starts, its in the plastic.

This sort of thing, though modern ones are much tinnier... The size of a grain of rice...

Hi H,
If you look at #13, hopefully I show that the antenna is on the PCB. There is a second antenna, in the shape of a coil, that I think may be the remote one.
C