Replacing a section of Plain Tiles...Help Please!

[jogger321]

I have to replace a small section (about 20 tiles /5 courses) of plain concrete tiles..They have two holes at the top of them and are nailed into the battens...My question is when I have gone up the courses how on earth to I nail the final course as I will be unable to get access to the nail holes because the course on top will prevent access...I ought to add these are large concrete Fortecrete tiles...Any ideas please folks...I'm a bit of a beginner to this but it has got me baffled!

 

[masona]

What is the approximately angle of the roof?

 

[jogger321]

Quite steep..its about 45 degree

 

[masona]

Okay, it's very rare to nail concrete tile these days as it now doesn't need it as the tiles is inter-lock together and the top row is held by the ridge tile with mortar plus the weight of the tiles.

Nails are normally for slate tiles or any tiles on wall

 

[chappers]

as masona says you dont need to nail all the courses usually the first five courses and then every other three your tiles should have lugs to hook over the battens just slide them up under and pull them back down onto the battens.The weight of the tiles above will be suffient to hold them.

 

[Freddie]

as masona says you dont need to nail all the courses usually the first five courses and then every other three your tiles should have lugs to hook over the battens just slide them up under and pull them back down onto the battens.The weight of the tiles above will be suffient to hold them.

Both of you are wrong, if you live near the coast or a windy area you nail and clip every other tile, the only time you never nail a tile is if the roof has a low pitch of less than 40o or for some reason the tiles have minimum overlap------you do not nail because in these cases rain could be driven up under the tile and will enter the roof through the nail holes which are about 1.5" to 2" down from the top. If you dont nail these holes are not perforated and therfore give you an extra bit of overlap.

I have seen this done on a 30o roof near me and the rain ****'s in, its only the felt that keeps the house dry, i would tell the owners what the buider did but they are stuck up gits so s*d them

 

[jogger321]

It is a concrete tile..put its a plain tile (very large)thats designed to look like a slate...They dont interlock..and they also dont have a nib to sit on the batton

My question is as I work my way up replacing about 4 courses how do nail the last course..as the course above it prevent access to the nail holes

any advice on what i should do here?

 

[masona]

Then you would have to remove the ridge tile and re-bed them.

 

[masona]

Both of you are wrong

Oh no we are not
That is why I asked for the angle of the roof.

I have seen this done on a 30o roof near me and the rain p**s's in, its only the felt that keeps the house dry, i would tell the owners what the buider did but they are stuck up gits so s*d them

That's because the wrong roof tiles was use maybe (?) The low pitch roof tiles have a weather groove bar at the top of the tiles therefore rain hit that and returned downward to prevent hitting the roofing felts. Nearly all roofer do not nail tiles unless it's necessary.
jogger321 would have to use nail as there's no lugs on his tiles as it was not mention, the problem with this way you can't take out the broken tiles and replace them because they're nailed, it can be a nightmare if you have a broken tiles in the middle area and got to take the whole roof tiles above off and rebed the ridge tiles and this is what jogger321 is finding.

 

[Freddie]

 

[Freddie]

I have to replace a small section (about 20 tiles /5 courses) of plain concrete tiles..They have two holes at the top of them and are nailed into the battens...My question is when I have gone up the courses how on earth to I nail the final course as I will be unable to get access to the nail holes because the course on top will prevent access...I ought to add these are large concrete Fortecrete tiles...Any ideas please folks...I'm a bit of a beginner to this but it has got me baffled!

You wont be able to nail the last course but you can clip them except for the last one where you can use adhesive on the joints, being as its a repair i would clip every other one and clip all of the last course itrs better to be safe than sorry it takes seconds and costs pennies

 

[masona]

Masona if you didnt nail every tile and clip every other tile where i am you wouldnt have a roof. I would love to see a tiles roof with no nails and clips in a coastal and windy area stay on, Masona thats got to be the most stupid thing you have ever said.

Read this again below slowly

Nearly all roofer do not nail tiles unless it's necessary.

And as regards the wrong tiles if the pitch is within the range of the spec then thats what they use and when the wind blows no groove will stop the rain being blown up, you are a clown mate.

And again read this, I said "MAYBE"

That's because the wrong roof tiles was use maybe (?)

I have seen this done on a 30o roof near me and the rain p**s's in, its only the felt that keeps the house dry, i would tell the owners what the buider did but they are stuck up gits so s*d them

If they are having this problem then what the point of fitting these tiles????? If that is the case then you have to use something like Decra roofing sheets. I have fitted a few of them for that reason, I even have them so no rain can get in, see the picture. I too live near the front.

As regards broken tiles mid way, with a thin piece of metal or screwdriver you can lever the excisting ones up and remove and replace but when you replace you can put so adhesive like Nomorenails or similar on the joints and slide the new tile into place

Hmm, I must remember that Nomorenail holding tiles together.

Freddie, I don't want to take you on as I'm not up for it. You could have done this more politely and is it really necessary?

 

[jogger321]

It was only a question not a reason to start an argument...

Just to clarify..Its a Bovis house built 13 years ago..The tiles i'm replacing are identical to the original

The ones I am replacing are about 4 courses from the bottom of a 30 course roof ..so there is no way i'm removing the whole roof up to the ridge tiles

It looks to me on a large section of the roof they have hung the tiles behind the battons, but the section i'm doing is all nailed into the batttons

The no nails option sounds the only feasible one....what do you mean by clipping???

..you guys obviously know a lot more about roofing and I value your advice but can I respectfully suggest you dont get too hung up about an Internet forum???

 

[Freddie]

It was only a question not a reason to start an argument...

Just to clarify..Its a Bovis house built 13 years ago..The tiles i'm replacing are identical to the original

The ones I am replacing are about 4 courses from the bottom of a 30 course roof ..so there is no way i'm removing the whole roof up to the ridge tiles

It looks to me on a large section of the roof they have hung the tiles behind the battons, but the section i'm doing is all nailed into the batttons

The no nails option sounds the only feasible one....what do you mean by clipping???

..you guys obviously know a lot more about roofing and I value your advice but can I respectfully suggest you dont get too hung up about an Internet forum???

Hello mate----there are aluminium clips which hold down the tile tightly down onto the tile below and fit on to the tile on the batton/lath which the tile below lips and should be nailed on to.

If you find out which make of tile it is then call the company or take it along to their stockists and they will sort you out.

There is no problem with the nails as they should be aluminium and are easily bent or broken if they get in your way so the only tile you should struggle with is the very last one you put on, but to tell you the truth if i had a roofer who put my tiles on with out clipping and nailing them then i would throw him of the roof because even you hammering plasterboard onto your rafters from the inside could dislodge them, and what use are they if they arent FIXED to your roof, it's farsicle to say we just drop them on and there you are, i suppose the manufacturers just make the tiles nails and clips for something to do on a monday afternoon dont they.

 

[Freddie]

Freddie, I don't want to take you on as I'm not up for it. You could have done this more politely and is it really necessary?

Because Masona the only reason i can see that a roofer doesnt fix the tiles to the roof is so he can do a quick job and ensure more work for roofers when they come off in the future.

You may have a valid point in somewhere like Spain where they dont get wind, but i would want the job done properly and i suppose if you call the manufacturers they would say same/similar as to me and not recomend you just put them on and hope for the best, it takes a few more hours and a few more pound to put them on properly THEN you shouldnt have the problem of them coming off should you