So, how many years has GP been a boring procession for now? But this event has just produced the most exciting end to a race for ages. Problem being, we didn't get to see it. Instead we see the same old nonsensical product from the likes of Saatchi etc... If I could remember what specific drivel responsible, I would attempt to organise a product boycott. Can't be bothered though. I'm sticking to BBC Moto GP coverage from now on. Proper racing that is, and no ads........
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Yes, I agree it is harder to get into it now, and I haven't watched every race this season. Murray was certainly enthusiastic! 
Also, I only noticed this today, but the laps were counted on screen in a very weird way. 62 lap race, but they started at "lap 62/62", and counted down to "lap 1/62". That doesn't make any sense! Surely it is either "1 lap to go", or "lap 62/62"? I've never noticed that on a GP before. Does it always happen in this fashion, or is it only Sammarinese who think it should be counted thus? (I had to look Sammarinese up, apparently that is what San Marino-ens are called )
Don't get me started on this high-tech sport being broadcast in low-tech 4:3.
Also, I only noticed this today, but the laps were counted on screen in a very weird way. 62 lap race, but they started at "lap 62/62", and counted down to "lap 1/62". That doesn't make any sense! Surely it is either "1 lap to go", or "lap 62/62"? I've never noticed that on a GP before. Does it always happen in this fashion, or is it only Sammarinese who think it should be counted thus? (I had to look Sammarinese up, apparently that is what San Marino-ens are called
)Don't get me started on this high-tech sport being broadcast in low-tech 4:3.
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"And now excuse me while I interrupt myself!"AdamW said:Murray was certainly enthusiastic!
"This is lap 26 which, unless I'm very much mistaken, is halfway throught this 58 lap race."
"Alboreto into the pits and I'm going to stop the startwatch."
"There is a man with a great Grand Prix future behind him!"
"There is nothing wrong with the car except that it is on fire."
"The first four cars are both on the same tyres."
"There's been a major malmisorganisation problem there!"
"And Michael Schumacher is actually in a very good position. He is in last place."
"With half the race gone there is half the race still to go."
"The crowd holds its joint breath!"
"Look up there! That's the sky!"
"A sad ending, albeit a happy one, here at Montreal for today's Grand Prix."
"I imagine the conditions in those cars today are totally unimaginable."
"Schumacher is either coming into the pits on this lap or he's not."
"Twenty four points for Schumacher, twenty three points for Hill, so there's only one point between them if my mental arithmetic is correct.
"The beak of the Ayrton Senna chicken is pushing its way through the shell."
"...and now he is on Lap 77 out of 73!"
" ... and Edson Arantes di Nascimento, commonly known to us as Pele hands the award to Damon Hill, commonly known to us as... Damon Hill "
"It's raining and the track is wet!"
"And now the boot is on the other Schumacher!"
"I make no apologies for their absence. I'm sorry they're not here."
"This would have been Ayrton Senna's third win in a row had he won the two before."
"He's here again for the first time."
"A mediocre season for Nelson Piquet as he is now known and always has been."
"And Michael Schumacher, as I expected, is now extending his lead over Michael Schumacher!"
"...in 12th and 13th the two Jaguars of Eddie Irvine."
"This is an interesting circuit because it has inclines, and not just up, but down as well."
"The Benetton...handling superbly as ever. Williams have worked very, very hard on this car at the beginning of the season."
"Even in five years' time, he (Coulthard) will still be four years younger than Damon Hill."
"Jenson Button ... driving like the veteran he is not."
"And Nelson Piquet must be furious with himself inside his helmet."
"And we have had 5 races so far this year, Brazil, Argentina, Imola, Schumacher and Monaco!"
"We are in lap 19 of lap 19."
"This is lap 54. After that it's 55, 56, 57, 58 ...
"Either the car is stationary or it's on the move."
"For the second time in the very recent future ..."
"He's shedding buckets of adrenaline in that car!"
"We now have exactly the same situation as at the beginning of the race, only exactly opposite."
"His hopes, which were nil before, are absolutely zero now."
"Ralf Schumacher has been upstaged by the teenager, Jenson Button, who is 20."
"He can't decide whether to have his visor half open or half closed."
"The status quo could well be as it was before."
"Heinz Harald Frentzen has already won three Grands Prix this year - two of them last year..."
"Speaking from memory, I don't know how many points Piquet has got."
"There are four different cars filling the first four places."
"I wonder if Watson is in the relaxed state of mind that he's in?"
"The faster he goes the quicker he'll get to the pits. The slower he goes the longer it will take"
"There goes Panis in the Prost. For years we knew them as Ligiers, because that is what they were called."
"With two laps to go then the action will begin, unless this is the action, which it is."
"The battle is well and truly on if it wasn't before, and it certainly was."
"Now, in case there is any confusion - Coulthard leads and has yet to stop, Hakkinen leads and has yet to stop."
"He's in front of everyone in this race except for the two in front of him."
"He's not going to produce a winner, but if he produces second it'll be the next best thing."
"It's not quite a curve. It's a straight actually!"
"Now he must not go the wrong way round the circuit, and unless he can spin himself stationary through 360 degrees I fail to see how he can avoid doing so."
"... the man who won in 83, 85, and 86, so this could be his hat trick."
"It looks as though this year there will be seventeen Grands Prix for the World Championship, compared with the traditional seventeen."
"Barrichello is about to drive in his fourth race for Ferrari, following the great Ayrton Senna who never drove for Ferrari."
"Alboreto has dropped back up to fifth place."
"And Panis is almost literally laughing his head off in that car."
"... and the Peugeot cup of misery is filled past overflowing"
"And I usually say that if anything is going to go wrong with the car, it has done by now, but I'm not going to say that about Jacques Villeneuve ... Oh! I already have."
"As you look at the first four, the significant thing is that Alboretto is fifth."
"And now Jacques Laffitte is as close to Surer as Surer is to Laffitte."
"He's obviously gone into the pits for a wheel change. I say 'obviously' because I can't see it."
"As you can see, visually, with your eyes ..."
" ... and cruel luck for Alesi, second on the grid. That's the first time he had started from the front row in a Grand Prix, having done so in Canada earlier this year."
"At Silverstone Eddie Irvine led with Irvine second, now it's the other way round!""
"Jean Alesi is 4th and 5th!"
"The gap between the two cars is 0.9 of a second which is less than one second."
"You can cut the tension with a cricket stump."
"And the track temperature has in fact risen in degrees!"
"Just under ten seconds for Mansell. Call it nine point five seconds in round figures."
"Nigel Mansell! The man of the race, the man of the day, the man from the Isle of Man"
"There are only four cars out on the circuit at the present moment and two of them are in the garage."
"This race will actually develop into a Grand Prix"
"Congratulations to me there!"
Even the pit stops on F1 are really dull now, "fill her up mate". No tyre changes, no mechanics to mess up putting the wheel nut on etc .. etc.. etc..
It's just dull,dull,dull,dull oh and I have I mentioned its a bit dull.
You may as well watch traffic going round the M25, much more overtaking, racing, more pit stops and the odd crash.
It's just dull,dull,dull,dull oh and I have I mentioned its a bit dull.
You may as well watch traffic going round the M25, much more overtaking, racing, more pit stops and the odd crash.
I remember watching a programme a while back and a mother and her son drive all the way round on the M25 every single daynstreet said:You may as well watch traffic going round the M25, much more overtaking, racing, more pit stops and the odd crash.
It's their hobby. There are plenty 'looking at the lid' at an age where Murray was tripping over himself in great enthusiasm ... Brilliant bloke ! (born 1923) 82 now !! Hit 65 in 1988, retired 2001 just 13 yrs later at 78 ...
Fired a bit of a passion way back in early 60's (40 yo then !) painting great audio 'pictures' of racing ..made LP's, of IOM TT races etc, he was a super commentator ... did a bit of racing himself too !!
There was a great fondness from the racers pro and amature, both bikes and cars .. one could sense it.
What a shambles on Sunday .. they were so embarrassed, the final 3 laps were repeated !! So much for commercial TV and sport.
BTW ... If Mclaren do not get their act together, we'll return to the procession again ... And I'll be back in the garden.
Fired a bit of a passion way back in early 60's (40 yo then !) painting great audio 'pictures' of racing ..made LP's, of IOM TT races etc, he was a super commentator ... did a bit of racing himself too !!
There was a great fondness from the racers pro and amature, both bikes and cars .. one could sense it.
What a shambles on Sunday .. they were so embarrassed, the final 3 laps were repeated !! So much for commercial TV and sport.
BTW ... If Mclaren do not get their act together, we'll return to the procession again ... And I'll be back in the garden.
the bit that annoys me the most is when they play the highlight why do they miss bits of the race out why not just pause the action then carry on from where they left off at least if the highlights had the missed bits they would attract extra people and sponsers
I have discussed licence fees once or twice with foreigners and they are either automatically very approving ("hey, I wish we had that!" or "HBO is similar, but costs about 3 times as much") or very disapproving ("WHAT?! You need a licence to own a TV here? How stupid is that? Who cares about adverts?")
Occasions like Sunday's Grand Prix highlight why fee-paying TV is good. I used to have Sky Sports but watched it twice, however I seem to recall that they never put the ads during an actual event. You pay a premium for that, however. I am surprised ITV are allowed to have rights to ANY sport after their fiasco with the football.
Perhaps BBC should try to get back the rights to F1?
Occasions like Sunday's Grand Prix highlight why fee-paying TV is good. I used to have Sky Sports but watched it twice, however I seem to recall that they never put the ads during an actual event. You pay a premium for that, however. I am surprised ITV are allowed to have rights to ANY sport after their fiasco with the football.
Perhaps BBC should try to get back the rights to F1?
Maybe the Beeb should tap into mo-sport at a lower, but far more competitive level ?
Years ago in F3 we had all the wannabe F1 boys, for example I watched James Hunt, Nigel, then Senna racing Brundle etc ... really close exciting stuff, have seen a winner travelling backwards over the line !! where several were on for the victory off the final bend .. real racing, heady stuff.
If any new formula with very restricted rules and closely, but high performing cars should emerge .. I would fear for F1 .. 60 odd laps say 2 hours with on average about 3 or 4 exciting situations .. Tis becoming more of an advert IMHO .. I mean if Ferrari spend so much more than everyone else, there must be a sting in the tail for them, architects of their own demise in the end ... When they fade as all teams do, for greater or lessor periods .. they may leave racing .. too much cost too little return .. here cometh the accountant !!
Years ago in F3 we had all the wannabe F1 boys, for example I watched James Hunt, Nigel, then Senna racing Brundle etc ... really close exciting stuff, have seen a winner travelling backwards over the line !! where several were on for the victory off the final bend .. real racing, heady stuff.
If any new formula with very restricted rules and closely, but high performing cars should emerge .. I would fear for F1 .. 60 odd laps say 2 hours with on average about 3 or 4 exciting situations .. Tis becoming more of an advert IMHO .. I mean if Ferrari spend so much more than everyone else, there must be a sting in the tail for them, architects of their own demise in the end ... When they fade as all teams do, for greater or lessor periods .. they may leave racing .. too much cost too little return .. here cometh the accountant !!
Murry Walker, may have been fun to listen to & maybe watching sport we need people like him making some silly remarks being made.
But
The ITV commentary team are so knowledgeable, anyone who is watching F1 & is a petrol head loves it, & if you are only watching to pass the time the insight is brilliant. Ok so we have adverts & maybe in the wrong place...BUT ITV is knocking spots of the beeb on this one.
But
The ITV commentary team are so knowledgeable, anyone who is watching F1 & is a petrol head loves it, & if you are only watching to pass the time the insight is brilliant. Ok so we have adverts & maybe in the wrong place...BUT ITV is knocking spots of the beeb on this one.
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But perchance not as silly as Mr Brundle, at times, he who never, ever, ever won a grand prix. Not knocking him, but, glasshouses and stuff .. Note how they never mention Nigel M ? He drove the wheels off 'em all at one time and another .. oh! and his job was driving and engineering not an orator... When Senna was wheel to wheel with Nige he knew he was in a race .. none of the crash you off the circuits stuff which turned many fans off MS (the sport let itself down with no sanctions imposed) Old Jaques shoved him back the last time ..
One great driver and speaker - Stirling M - Give him ANY car and he'd wring it's neck .. normal roads (Millie Miglia) or circuits -- and he'd be on the town afterwards, no messing... And have a good old chat about it all.
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