Second vote?

[Doppleganger]

I think the options on the table are now:
- this deal
- no Brexit.

In my opinion if there was another vote, it should be 3 questions.

1, forget it, remain.
2, accept it, leave on those terms.
3, cancel it, leave on wto terms

A 5 year old can see through that

It is not a simple binary option but a choice of three outcomes.

A 5 year old can understand a preferential voting system.
You simply rank your preferences.
Only your first two options need to be selected.

I don't need to explain the system. Explanations are available elsewhere on the web.
The only way a straightforward winner would be selected is if any one option received more than half of the available votes indicating a clear majority.

There are several versions of preferential voting systems in use for elections in other countries. It's not rocket science.

 

[ellal]

As said,,60% bar,mental idea.

So can we assume that you think that the requirement of getting the approval of 66% of the UK parliament to change the date of a general election is also a 'mental idea'?

Or is the idea of a vote threshold selective in your opinion?

 

[Brigadier]

So, you blame Labour voters for the Conservative Government, and

Clinton voters in certain areas (because she had more votes) for Trump's victory.

It's the non-voters who are to blame, not the voters in your analogy.

 

[durhamplumber]

So can we assume that you think that the requirement of getting the approval of 66% of the UK parliament to change the date of a general election is also a 'mental idea'?

Or is the idea of a vote threshold selective in your opinion?

Not comparable,wake up

 

[ellal]

It is not a simple binary option but a choice of three outcomes.

A 5 year old can understand a preferential voting system.
You simply rank your preferences.
Only your first two options need to be selected.

I don't need to explain the system. Explanations are available elsewhere on the web.
The only way a straightforward winner would be selected is if any one option received more than half of the available votes indicating a clear majority.

There are several versions of preferential voting systems in use for elections in other countries. It's not rocket science.

Nope...

That's what is known in technical terms as a 'fixed vote' to avoid Brexit...

And that's coming from a fervent supporter of Remain!

 

[durhamplumber]

Nope...

That's what is known in technical terms as a 'fixed vote' to avoid Brexit...

And that's coming from a fervent supporter of Remain!

So anything other than your method is wrong and fiddled?...

 

[ellal]

Not comparable

And there we have proof that 'notchy disease' is contagious...

Only amongst those whose ignorance is on display regularly of course

So anything other than your method is wrong and fiddled?...

What is my 'method'?

 

[Doppleganger]

Nope...

That's what is known in technical terms as a 'fixed vote' to avoid Brexit...

And that's coming from a fervent supporter of Remain!

You are not understanding the preferential voting systems correctly.
Only an option receiving more than half of the available votes would be a clear majority.

To illustrate, suppose there were 10 votes cast, 4 for Remain 3 for the Deal and 3 for No Deal.
There is no clear majority of the available votes. Only an option receiving more than 5 votes would be a clear majority.

Various systems would deal with the redistribution of second preferences differently.

 

[SirGalahad]

You going give everyone an exam on understanding?...As said,,60% bar,mental idea.You do love your misquotes Sir Dodgy,,you do have a hugely inflated idea of yourself and your intelligence,and as said before,no common sense,as you prove.

Yet you voted without fully knowing what you were voting for. That shows common sense doesn't it?

 

[SirGalahad]

That is a typical remainer narrative, repeated ad nauseum on here

If you want to vent your anger do so against the government for holding a referendum with a binary choice on a subject almost nobody has a full understanding, not against the public that voted.

I blame the Government and Cameron and then the gutter Press for fuelling all this misinformation.

So that's why it was non binding, the Government get out clause which they have failed to exercise.

 

[Brigadier]

@transam , have you just been on R5L?
I ask because some bloke just 'phoned into the show, saying there'd be civil war next March

(He did also say that TM was a traitor, and should be put to death, so I'm thinking it may not have been you after all)

 

[cwhaley]

A stupid idea is asking people on a referendum most don't know anything about.

Why is it any different to any referendum, vote or general election? I'd argue that most people know very little about the people they vote for in an election.

I voted to leave the European Union based on my own weighted research and having worked for the European Commission.

 

[ellal]

You are not understanding the preferential voting systems correctly.

Patronisation (especially from a newly invented character) doesn't work on me

You are not understanding the preferential voting systems correctly.
Only an option receiving more than half of the available votes would be a clear majority.

To illustrate, suppose there were 10 votes cast, 4 for Remain 3 for the Deal and 3 for No Deal.
There is no clear majority of the available votes. Only an option receiving more than 5 votes would be a clear majority.

Yep, not rocket science to realise that it would probably not produce a majority vote...

"Various systems would deal with the redistribution of second preferences differently."

Yep, not rocket science to realise that any of the 'various systems' would be a 'fix'!

 

[Doppleganger]

Patronisation (especially from a newly invented character) doesn't work on me


Yep, not rocket science to realise that it would probably not produce a majority vote...

"Various systems would deal with the redistribution of second preferences differently."

Yep, not rocket science to realise that any of the 'various systems' would be a 'fix'!

Sorry It wasn't intended as patronisation. It was simply a statement of my opinion.
Sorry if my opinion offended you.


The preferential voting systems rarely do produce a clear majority. That is when and why the second (and subsequent preferences if required) come into play.
If you think that every voting system other than fptp is a fix, then why is fptp not a fix?
How come preferential systems are in use, and preferred to fptp, in many other countries?
Perhaps you could explain how it would be fixed in the country that is supposed to be the paradigm of democracy?

 

[SirGalahad]

Why is it any different to any referendum, vote or general election? I'd argue that most people know very little about the people they vote for in an election.

I voted to leave the European Union based on my own weighted research and having worked for the European Commission.

A GE you can alter your position by the next election, so it's only binding for a few years.

The question itself was not well written, it did not define the alternative.

In your research what type of Brexit have you concluded is best?