Second vote?

[ban-all-sheds]

Who voted to be worse off ? Anybody ?

Every single person who is now claiming that they knew what they were voting for.

 

[JohnD]

The Irish border
.

That's interesting.

Brexiters say they don't want Freedom of Movement between UK and EU. So there must be border controls between UK and EU.
They also say they don't want border controls between RoI and NI. EU says there must be freedom of movement between RoI and NI
RoI has freedom of movement with all the EU and no border controls with the other EU countries.
UK insists there must be no border controls between NI and GB.

So an EU citizen can freely move to RoI

Any person in RoI can freely move to NI if there are no border controls,

So any EU citizen can freely move from, say, Germany to RoI to NI to England if there are no border controls.

But Brexiters say there must not be freedom of movement.

So Brextremists say there must simultaneously be Freedom of Movement, and No Freedom of Movement.


Explain to me why you think that isn't difficult. And why you think it is the EU's fault.

 

[durhamplumber]

Every single person who is now claiming that they knew what they were voting for.

Worse off? Such a vague term.

 

[Notch7]

It does, unfortunately split the leave voters.

Therefore a binary vote should simply be accept the deal, or walk away. But that vote is irrelevant, the referendum was stay or leave, it decided leave. Any result from that is what the Government negotiates, there is no need for another vote. We get what the Government decides is the best, it was voted for.

However, the 2 binary choices are not what the referendum promised. We were promised, benefits and advantages, not just the choice of 2 worse choices. A lot of people now know they were misled, and the 2 choices are not what they voted for.

So the 3rd choice has to be included. Failure to do so accepts only choosing between 2 worse choices than present.

Who voted to be worse off ? Anybody ?

Lets be honest, you mean as a remainer you want a three way option to split the leave voters.

Leave without a deal is not an option anyway, so the only voting option I see is to accept the deal on the table or turn down the deal and remain.

I guess some leave voters want a 2 way split between the deal or leave without a deal, but see above; no deal is not a real life option.

 

[JohnD]

Timescales

That could mean anything. Too fast, too slow.

A meaningless buzzword.

 

[Notch7]

Please read the rest of my comment.
Like Ellal you have failed to fully understand the principles of preferential voting.

I havent failed to understand anything.

Who said preferential voting was an option?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

no deal is not a real life option.

It is according to many quitlings.

 

[durhamplumber]

It is according to many quitlings.

No deal WTO rules,will happen long before Ref2,or scrapping brexit

 

[cwhaley]

That could mean anything. Too fast, too slow.

A meaningless buzzword.

I use it in reference to their desired timescale on the whole process in general as well as their expectations on timescales within speicifc elements of the withdrawal.

I haven't gone into detail and examples because this thread is about whether or not we should have another shot at a vote.

It's not a buzzword. What an odd assessment.

 

[Notch7]

I got an internship there and worked with my ex-pat Uncle who also worked at the commission. I was in first-contact with key stakeholders in decision-making and I heard the conversations in corridors, meetings, conferences... their ambitions and what they want to achieve is to be frank, scary.

The Brexit negotiations have showed me that the benefits of free trade, common standards etc, have given great benefits, but also concentrates so much power, because nobody can leave or force through reform.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

no deal is not a real life option.

As I said....

No deal WTO rules,will happen long before Ref2,or scrapping brexit

 

[JohnD]

I haven't gone into detail
.

The Brexiteers have used timescales to prevent negotiations giving an acceptable result.

 

[durhamplumber]

Mighty Malta could vote down the whole deal.Shows the stupidity of EU system.

 

[Notch7]

Mighty Malta could vote down the whole deal.Shows the stupidity of EU system.

Europhiles might argue that proves the EU is democratic

 

[cwhaley]

The Brexiteers have used timescales to prevent negotiations giving an acceptable result.

They have.