Storage Heaters - LOT20/HHR or Standard panel- smoke and mirrors? Choices.

[dishman]

Need to replace some water damaged storage heaters. They are a write off.

But, I just wanted to go through the options.

1) Replace with standard storage heaters. -
Pros) Cheapest option on initial outlay.
Cons) Traditional concerns about use in property when people are only in during the evening.

2) Replace with HHR/LOT20 storage heaters -
Pros) Benefit from better EPC score. May retain heat better for end of day use.
Cons) Most expensive in initial outlay. Smoke and mirrors in terms of their end of use cost to user.

2) Replace with HHR/LOT20 storage heaters -
Cons) Most expensive.Unlikely to have actual cost of use benefits to standard heaters. But get better EPC score

The curve ball is perhaps the standard panel heater. The storage heaters were originally envisaged as a benefit due to their switching and night charging when demand was low.

Now that smart meters can "dynamically switch", I was wondering if anybody knew of tarrifs that benefit panel heaters with, for example, cheaper windows through the day when panel heaters can bet set to give out hear.

3) Replace with wall mounted panel heaters.
Pros - Cheap initial outlay. Benefits users who are not in all day. Or have non-standard hours that require heating.
Cons - Potentially most expensive.


Any thoughts as to which route is probably the most beneficial.?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Any thoughts as to which route is probably the most beneficial.?

4. Heat pumps?

 

[JohnD]

Is this a rental?

Is it modern and well-insulated?

Are the occupants elderly, or do they have small children?

What hours will the occupants usually be at home?

 

[dishman]

Rental, so it will be variable as to occupancy.

Anything like a heat-pump is not really an option I don't think, expense wise and property suitability.

So it's more getting the best out of all electric heater options.

 

[JohnD]

Is it modern and well-insulated?

Are the occupants elderly, or do they have small children?

What hours will the occupants usually be at home?

 

[Murdochcat]

Good luck buying new storage heaters that aren’t LOT 20

 

[dishman]

Is this a rental?

Is it modern and well-insulated?

Are the occupants elderly, or do they have small children?

What hours will the occupants usually be at home?

Yes. Not modern, with moderate insulation. Current occupants are likely to be home all day.

I'm leaning HHR/LOT20 storage heaters now. I think it's the best I can go for....however there may be a spanner in the works for actually installing those.

As far as I can see, they need two fused spurs. One on a day circuit, and one on a night.

Looks like the current heaters only have a single fused spur for a night circuit only. So I may be locked into just replacing like for like. Unless I install a new circuit.

If the "boost heaters" on the HHE/LOT20 heaters are below 1000w and/or below, if there is a standard socket near the existing night circuit fused spur, is there likely to be an issue in swapping the socket for a fused spur so it has a day circuit connection? ( I would of course get this checked by and done by an electrician).

Good luck buying new storage heaters that aren’t LOT 20

Dimplex XLE Slimline

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As far as I was aware, they are still very much available. Unless I am mistaken as to what this is.

 

[Murdochcat]

Yes. Not modern, with moderate insulation. Current occupants are likely to be home all day.

I'm leaning HHR/LOT20 storage heaters now. I think it's the best I can go for....however there may be a spanner in the works for actually installing those.

As far as I can see, they need two fused spurs. One on a day circuit, and one on a night.

Looks like the current heaters only have a single fused spur for a night circuit only. So I may be locked into just replacing like for like. Unless I install a new circuit.

If the "boost heaters" on the HHE/LOT20 heaters are below 1000w and/or below, if there is a standard socket near the existing night circuit fused spur, is there likely to be an issue in swapping the socket for a fused spur so it has a day circuit connection? ( I would of course get this checked by and done by an electrician).

Dimplex XLE Slimline

Heater Shop are online suppliers of the Dimplex XLE Slimline throughout the UK. Call now on 01473 276686 for a free quotation or visit our website.

www.heatershop.co.uk

As far as I was aware, they are still very much available. Unless I am mistaken as to what this is.

That Dimplex model is lot 20

And you can run them from a single dedicated 24 x 7 supply

 

[dishman]

ahh, I was under the impression all the lot20 types have dual function and fan assist (hence needing a daytime supply) by default. Which is what helped them achieve the standard.

Although looking again at the manual for that one....it says "Not suitable for use on single supply"

 

[Murdochcat]

ahh, I was under the impression all the lot20 types have dual function and fan assist (hence needing a daytime supply) by default. Which is what helped them achieve the standard.

They need 24 x7 supply to constantly monitor the room they are in

If they get turned off, it takes a couple of days for the monitoring to settle down again

 

[dishman]

Hmm, you are correct, all the modern storage heaters seem to need a day supply.

The elnur ones seem to suggest they can be bypassed to work on a single supply, but vague as to whether this would work on a switching supply.

So, it seems to get a modern storage heater of any sort a dual supply may be required.

Further investigation needed.

 

[Diver Fred]

My experience as a LandLord on an electrically heated rental property is that HHR NSH do give you a better EPC score but do cost more to run. HHR's do not have any means of controlling how much energy they use to heat up the NSH. They do require a second power connection 24/7 to power the fan (and the booster (fan heater) coil). The year I fitted the HHR I had to give the tenant a reduction in their rent to cover the increased operating cost.