Supporting stud wall and ceiling

[davidjhope]

Hi,
I'm about to create a non load bearing stud wall to divide a bedroom. The floorboards will be lifted and new 'noggins' will be inserted to carry the weight as the joists run the same way as the new wall. My question is what's the best way to deal with the ceiling as the ceiling joists also run the same way? Do I need to do the same as the floor and remove the plasterboard etc to fit 'noggins'? Or is there a easier way?
I hope that makes sense.
Thanks in advance
David

 

[cdbe]

I would say yes, but fit from the loft and just slot the plasterboard to fit the top plate in, or screw straight through it. Regarding the floor, I would have thought you could just build off the boards - I've seen lots of first floor masonry walls built off the floorboards - they spread the load over a number of joists.

 

[davidjhope]

Hi,
Thank you for your prompt reply.
I've got no access to the space above the ceiling.
The floorboards are coming up anyway to allow for the plumbing and electrics so strengthening them isn't a problem.
I can remove the ceiling plaster to run some 'noggins' in to support the timber but it's going to be a pain. I'm just wondering if it's ok to screw it straight onto the ceiling plasterboard.

 

[23vc]

Agree best to noggin the top. Although if you don’t, I guess worst case is a bit of movement and cracking where top meets ceiling, which periodic caulking may be able to hide. Make sure the sides are really well fixed to the walls.

 

[davidjhope]

Thank you.
I'll take part of the ceiling down.
It's better to do the job right than cutting corners.

 

[Leofric]

I've seen lots of first floor masonry walls built off the floorboards

Well they shouldn't be

 

[^woody^]

Well they shouldn't be

I'll get a letter sent out to everyone with a house built before 1960. And a quote. Happy days.

 

[Leofric]

I'll get a letter sent out to everyone with a house built before 1960. And a quote. Happy days.

Do you think it is good practice to build masonry walls off floorboards woody ?

 

[^woody^]

Do you think it is good practice to build masonry walls off floorboards woody ?

There is nothing wrong with all the existing homes built like it. The slower grown and stronger timber of that day may have played a part, I don't know.

 

[23vc]

...and you grow to love the ridiculously sagging ceilings, and hope they’re not planning on sagging any further

 

[^woody^]

...and you grow to love the ridiculously sagging ceilings, and hope they’re not planning on sagging any further

Yes, love is the answer.

 

[John D v2.0]

ours were built off the floorboards, but most of them the floorboards have shrunk and dropped, but the wall is sticking where it is somehow.

 

[23vc]

ours were built off the floorboards, but most of them the floorboards have shrunk and dropped, but the wall is sticking where it is somehow.

Tbh the ceiling joists are all over the place on mine (60s) anyway, like 10mm out between adjacent joists, and it’s not just down to the odd masonry wall above. The joists look chunky but I reckon they’re over spanned.