System cleaner on new boiler install

[jesteh]

Had plumber doing the boiler & brand new central heating - new pipework + new radiators.

Done a good job and used X100 inhibitor but no system cleaner - plumber said as its a new install you don't need any sort of system cleaner - just a quick flush out with hot water is ok. In fact not only that but putting in a cleaner in a brand new system is bad for it (its the sort of thing you know when you are in the industry).

Anyone else heard of this?

 

[Agile]

Should have used Sentinel X300. About £8 each if he bought them from me!

Read the application notes on their web site.

Tony

 

[mehran]

total *******s agile. if the system is brand new(new rads and new pipework) than no cleaner should need to be used.

x300 is x400 water down to rob people. only a fool would us it...total waste of money.

jesteh, your RGI total you correctly

 

[Whitespirit66]

Using something like X300 isn't a bad idea, but just doing a hot flush instead isn't going to be the end of the world.

X300 isn't going to remove any swarf or loose bits that a hot flush won't. As for flux, well that's acidic, so as soon as the water goes in, it will be neutralised anyway. Apart from that, what else are we supposed to be cleaning out of a completely new system?

The system will be fine. The real crime is fitting a shiny new boiler to a dirty, cruddy old system.

 

[Mark Br]

A hot flush should be fine, I can't see the need for a cleaner on a new system

 

[Agile]

X300 isn't going to remove any swarf or loose bits that a hot flush won't. As for flux, well that's acidic, so as soon as the water goes in, it will be neutralised anyway. Apart from that, what else are we supposed to be cleaning out of a completely new system?

How can plain water neutralise acid flux? Didn't you take Chemistry "O" level ?

I am surprised that so many installers here are not complying with the requirements of BS7593:1992

Am I the only one still doing things properly?

Tony Glazier

 

[mehran]

think you must of failed Chemistry "O" level

so acid diluted water, you remove water by replacing it with fresh....acid water is now down the drain... I also live in an area with the water is naturally alkaline.

Agile I dont give a **** about BS7593:1992 says, I do take issues you trying to put down the OP installer.

for Chirst sake what has happen to common sense

 

[Whitespirit66]

so acid diluted water, you remove water by replacing it with fresh....acid water is now down the drain... I also live in an area with the water is naturally alkaline.

Yes, precisely. The any acid will be so diluted by the large volumes of water that malt vinegar will look like a hazardous substance by comparison.

Maybe not good enough for Tony's laboratory analysis, but perfectly acceptable for a heating system.

But Tony, rules is rules.

 

[Mark Br]

Ffs Agile you are acting like a complete knob, just for a change. Get the chip off your shoulder, since when was it a prerequisite for an installer to have o'level chemistry or for that matter a degree!

Do me a favor, next time you install a new system, after the hot flush measure the acidity level, I bet it's neutral

 

[Agile]

The comment was that the water "neutralised" the acid. That does not happen.

If the acid is just diluted then the total amount of acid still remains in solution.

If the diluted acid solution is then drained out then only that will get rid of the acid. Ideally flushed twice.

Regardless of what some of you say, I am still going to continue flushing with X300 in accordance with the British Standard.

Tony

 

[Whitespirit66]

If the diluted acid solution is then drained out then only that will get rid of the acid. Tony

Precisely. Otherwise known as a hot flush.

Perhaps I was wrong to use the word 'neutralise', when 'diluted to an extremeley weak solution' would have been more accurate.

I'll stick to my hot flushes that have never let me down, and you can have your magic potion.

Think I can feel a hot flush coming on!

Ian

 

[picbits]

Actually, tapwater (not pure water) can neutralise a weak acid solution due to the calcium deposts (calcium carbonate) in the water.

In fact its the same principle as antacid tablets - stomach acid + calcium carbonate = wind !

 

[hedsa]

Agile when did you last fit a full heating system, a boiler swap takes you 3days how long for a full heating 3weeks . you head is so far up your backside mr perfect :

 

[picbits]

Agile when did you last fit a full heating system, a boiler swap takes you 3days how long for a full heating 3weeks . you head is so far up your backside mr perfect :

I have been more of a lurker than a poster on here but I can honestly say that I'd have no problems whatsoever with Tony (Agile) doing any work for me.

That applies to a number of other regular posters on here who also give good advice.

You may not always agree with them all of the time but its better than some of the other rubbish that has been spouted by the less experienced fitters.

 

[satansbrother]

I can honestly say that I'd have no problems whatsoever with Tony (Agile) doing any work for me.

You may not always agree with them all of the time but its better than some of the other rubbish that has been spouted by the less experienced fitters.

Dear, oh dear, oh dear!! You'll not get anywhere by calling Tone a fitter. Tony's not even that quick, so definitely not a quick-fit-fitter.