The dredded yellow paint.... again...

[stef99]

I recently I painted my entire house with gloss paint... from Wickes..

Little did I know about the yellow paint fiasco from 2012, which evidently was never sorted out.

I used Oil based gloss which I assumed was better than the water based gloss... but after 3 weeks, my glossed areas are now yellow...
and I'm not happy...

Obviously, I'm busy aswell as anyone, and I really need a no-hassle answer as to what paint i should use..

I will be seeing Wickes about their duff paint in a few days...

Until then, can anyone suggest which paint I should use.. Obviously I want the brilliant white, but I want it to stay white.

I heard possibly that the water based paint stays white, so should i use that, and how long will it last?

 

[emilybronte]

Yes, water based will stay white. Oil based will yellow indoors - if the tin warns against this, you may not have much of a leg to stand on as regards refunds, etc. The yellowing is an inevitable (and pretty much unsortable) result of the reformulation of oil based paints in 2010 to reduce their VOC content. (VOCs have many harmful health and environmental effects).

Use Johnstone's Aqua system (acrylic undercoat and either gloss or satin), or Little Greene's Intelligent Eggshell over their own acrylic undercoat. Both will give good results if applied correctly onto correct prep. But they are thinner than traditional oil based paints so be prepared to use at least two top coats.

 

[stef99]

That confirm my suspicions, thank you.

Since I have used Wickes undercoat and gloss, would I be able simply to paint over my skirting boards with the water based Wickes gloss?

I'm kinda looking for a one time quick fix as I've spent hours painting my house lately, but obviously I don't want it to look like a complete mess also.

 

[Chri5]

Oil paints take a while to fully dry. Check with the makers as to the full dry time, once it is fully dry scratch / key and overcoat in wb gloss.

Oil over painted when not set can still release paint agents which (rumour has it) can ruin the finish of a wb top coat.

 

[stef99]

Excellent, Thank you! I got the answer I wanted also!!! Thanks

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

I had to paint when the yellow fiasco was starting due to new EU regulations. I tried Dulux oil based gloss, blue tin lid, which Dulux said was okay. After 4 weeks it was going yellow. So I used Sikkens oil based paint. After 3 years it is still white. If I leave an object on a window board for a few weeks, or months, then remove it, there is a yellow patch underneath, which disappears on reexposure to light. The Sikkens is expensive but very good.

I experimented with many water based paints, most were pants, too thin. But they have improved greatly since. The only problem is the quick drying, which means little open time, making it hard to do a door for example. I used water based on my exterior garage door, nice to apply, brushes easy to clean, two coats in one day, nice finish. But I could not have done the garage door with it. Too quick drying. Apparently you can add something to slow the drying, is it Floetrol?

Yes, water based will stay white. Oil based will yellow indoors - if the tin warns against this, you may not have much of a leg to stand on as regards refunds, etc. The yellowing is an inevitable (and pretty much unsortable) result of the reformulation of oil based paints in 2010 to reduce their VOC content. (VOCs have many harmful health and environmental effects).

I suspect that under the sale of goods act you can claim on the basis that paint described as white should stay white for a reasonable time. Yellow in a few weeks is not reasonable and hence it is not fit for purpose.

 

[emilybronte]

I agree, three weeks is unreasonable.

 

[jaba]

I've used standard Dulux and it also goes yellow if something is covering it which someone already said happens with oil based paints. Furniture in front of the skirting in my case and looks bad.
But most of the gloss work I've done seems ok 3 or even 5 years later if nothing covering it!

I've used Dulux water based gloss for painting my doors, smells a bit like plastic when drying but nothing as strong smelling as the standard gloss.
Downside is it chips a lot easier IMO.

 

[oldschoolmechanic]

I suspect that under the sale of goods act you can claim on the basis that paint described as white should stay white for a reasonable time. Yellow in a few weeks is not reasonable and hence it is not fit for purpose.

They add a disclaimer to avoid that:

Note : Whilst leading-edge technology has been used in the development of this product, the nature of solvent-based paints means that they will all discolour over time. The rate of discolouration is faster in areas with no natural or UV light.

 

[emilybronte]

I've used Dulux water based gloss for painting my doors, smells a bit like plastic when drying but nothing as strong smelling as the standard gloss.
Downside is it chips a lot easier IMO.

By 'the standard gloss' do we assume you mean oil-based gloss?

Water based gloss is just as tough as oil based if you leave it long enough to cure before touching it/putting things on it. People tends to assume that once it's dry to the touch, it's 'good to go' That is not the case. Leave it at least a week, preferably three.