Total Scum jailed for snapping tot's spine.

[Blasphemous]

There are no words strong enough to describe my utter disdain for this piece of filth. Lock him away forever! I don't want to raise a whole death penalty debate here, personally I am against it but this guys... grrrr!!!!! I am so angry with him!!!

Dad jailed for snapping tot's spine.

A father who murdered his 16-month-old daughter by snapping her spine after months of abuse has been jailed for life.

James Howson, 25, was told he will serve a minimum sentence of 22 years for killing his little girl Amy.

Amy's mother, Tina Hunt, was given a 12-month suspended sentence after admitting allowing the death of a child and child cruelty.

Sentencing him at Leeds Crown Court, judge Mrs Justice Cox, recounted how the defendant placed his daughter over his knee or other object and broke her back at their home while he was looking after her. He then sat with her body until the morning.

The judge said: "This was, in my view, a chilling and brutal attack.

"The bone was completely dislocated, resulting in spinal shock, rapid unconsciousness - mercifully - and to death."

She went on: "The jury was satisfied, on the clearest of evidence, that it was you who deliberately inflicted truly horrific injuries upon your defenceless little daughter, Amy, from which she died within a few hours."

The judge also detailed the other occasions in the weeks leading up to the murder in December last year when Howson "cruelly and deliberately assaulted Amy", leaving her with multiple fractures to her arms and legs.

Howson showed no emotion as he was led from the dock.

The judge said to him: "I have not seen the slightest evidence of remorse from you for what you did."

The court heard how Howson had a troubled history and had been violent towards women when he was young yet had no previous convictions.

Adrian Waterman QC, defending, told the court how, when Howson was expelled from school as a teenager, a teacher noted in a report: "This boy will commit a murder before too long. I've never seen a such a disturbed young man."

Hunt admitted the child cruelty charge on the basis that she did nothing to alert the authorities to her daughter's plight.

But the judge told her "level of culpability falls at the lowest end of the scale" after hearing how Howson completely dominated her and was often violent.

She said Hunt was also in the lowest 1 per cent band of intelligence and that she had to balance the protection of children against the "pressures on immature and inadequate parents".

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081024/tuk-dad-jailed-for-snapping-tot-s-spine-dba1618.html

 

[ajstoneservices]

whole death penalty

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We should be able to kill them a bit at a time starting from the toes up, if fed to him it would lower our bill for feeding them

 

[roughcaster]

I hope we read that this piece of scum is found battered to death in prison, but probably we will see a photo of him in the Sun newspaper on a day out of prison shopping!!!

Roughcaster

 

[JohnD]

it sounds like he has a history of violence, including to the girl. A pity he wasn't convicted before he killed her. i understand a lot of domestic violence goes unreported or the victims won't give evidence

Doesn't sound like the mother is fit to be responsible for children either

Chances are when he gets to prison he will meet other people who are just as violent, and aren't small children.

 

[Blasphemous]

I wonder how the teacher who made those comments in the report is feeling? I was going to place a 'sad' emoticon after that sentence but it seems inappropriate. No offense intended to the other respondents above. Its just how I feel.

 

[Norcon]

He looks evil. Absolutely evil.
I hope he is severly tortured by other inmates though I suspect he will be held in a secure wing and released in a few years with a new identity free to offend again.

 

[craig51]

I've been shot down for this before, but screw it.

In this country, we need a licence to own a tv, use a car, own a gun, fly a plane, practice certain disiplines, ie medical, law etc etc.

Why on earth do we not have an application process for having children?

In my view its not a right, its a privilege. Criteria would be.

Income to support a child (not from state)
Can you provide a safe and SECURE enviroment.
Can you provide the mental stimluation required for adequete development
Can you provide love and time for the child.
Are you a mature/responsible/good character person?

All of this would just require a quick 20mins interview at the local council office, and the results would be far less kids living in poverty, far less kids being beat up, and far less kids flowwing their parents into a live of poverty, no hope and dispair.

 

[Blasphemous]

I've been shot down for this before, but screw it.

In this country, we need a licence to own a tv, use a car, own a gun, fly a plane, practice certain disiplines, ie medical, law etc etc.

Why on earth do we not have an application process for having children?

In my view its not a right, its a privilege. Criteria would be.

Income to support a child (not from state)
Can you provide a safe and SECURE enviroment.
Can you provide the mental stimluation required for adequete development
Can you provide love and time for the child.
Are you a mature/responsible/good character person?

All of this would just require a quick 20mins interview at the local council office, and the results would be far less kids living in poverty, far less kids being beat up, and far less kids flowwing their parents into a live of poverty, no hope and dispair.

Being the OP I appreciate your input craig and indeed I can understand everyone's feelings on this but I have to say that I think the flames maybe coming your way again!

I am not going to dissect your whole post, Softus can and indeed may do that and far more eloquently than I. But I have to be honest and say that there are a few areas that... well, I won't say anymore on that.

One area I would like to explore is your Application Process. So you're Process is:

Income to support a child (not from state)
Can you provide a safe and SECURE enviroment.
Can you provide the mental stimluation required for adequete development
Can you provide love and time for the child.
Are you a mature/responsible/good character person?

All of this would just require a quick 20mins interview at the local council office, and the results would be far less kids living in poverty, far less kids being beat up, and far less kids flowwing their parents into a live of poverty, no hope and dispair.

I'm struggling to comprehend how an Application Process such as the one you are proposing can be covered in a 20 minute interview at the local council office. I mean any idiot can sit there and say YES to all of the above and provide evidence of financial stability. I have quite a few questions but my main one right now is, How will this Application Process weed out people such as the one in the OP? I can understand that you may have posted something you may not have thought through due to your feelings on this and that is totally understandable. I am very angry with this guy (as I have already said), and I have made a fairly provocative statement in my OP by saying

'this piece of filth. Lock him away forever!'

but we must deal with these things in a calm and controlled way otherwise there would be chaos and that will get us no where and help no one.

 

[craig51]

No probs,

Financial postion, easily established by credit checked, one bank statement for the last 5 years (sourced from bank if required).

This will show a regualr, secure income, and also no current debts. People in debt can hardly be expected to afford to bring a child up, support it financially etc etc.

Can you provide a safe and SECURE enviroment.

Provide proof that fire alrams have been purchased (receipt) carbon dioxide, and if renting, a long term lease, or mortage, then as above, will show any defaults if any. If all clear, move to next step. ALso a CRB check.

Can you provide love and time for the child.
If you are working 70 hours a week, and the kid has to stay with a relative, it cant be getting the proper care and attention from its parents, so why bother??? Whats the point of working all hours of the day, to then come home, your kids in bed as your mum just put them there, and you spend no time with them? Hardly bringing them up. Devoted perhaps, but not nurturing.

Are you a mature/responsible/good character person?

A bit harder to test for, but a 10 min conservation quickly determines if the applicant has something between his/her ears, is switched on, and 'seems' stable.

Granted, this is a quick fix solution, and perhaps the above application process is pants, and something else would be put in place, like parentig lessons over 15-20 weeks, then a test.

BUt people just cant be allowed to breed kids by the dozen, and bring them into situations which could have been avoided if some basic checks were carried out.

Yes, people will get through the process and still carry out these acts, but overall, i believe its an improvement, with fine adjustments along the way.

There are more checks on a potential mortgage applicant, car (Mot), passport applicant, than there are on people want to raise children who will be totally dependent on them. Thats crazy!

 

[NS215]

'this piece of filth. Lock him away forever!'

but we must deal with these things in a calm and controlled way otherwise there would be chaos and that will get us no where and help no one.[/quote]

I'm sorry but in my opinion this is exactly the sort of thinking that has already brought this country to chaos with gangs of teenagers roaming the streets beating hard working innocent people to death who are just trying to protect their property.

No discipline in schools anymore or at home because the do gooders have interfered and made things alot worse!!!!

I was smacked as a kid and rightly so for doing wrong, i didn't do it again

I smacked my own kids for doing wrong and they don't do it anymore, I'd still smack them now if they did wrong and their aged 15 and 16, but I don't need to because now they now right from wrong and have grown into two lovely respectable girls (young ladies) and lots of people comment on them (which makes me very proud as a parent).

kids need to be punished for doing wrong and I'm sorry but taking away comics games consoles etc just isn't working they just find something else to do which is usually worse than the original offence they committed.

My mother worked most of her life as a teaching assistant in a primary school and she said even at the ages of 5/6 you knew who would end up in trouble and prison, mainly because of the parents attitudes.

She also said when a child kicked another you'd take their shoes off them and put them on top of the blackboard so they couldn't go out at break time, things similar to that to make children understand they had done wrong. but as time went by and do gooders got their way there was less and less in way of punishment......It got to the state in the end where kids of 5/6 were saying not bothered you can't do anything anyway.

NICE ONE TO ALL THE DO GOODERS OUT THERE YOU'VE MANAGED TO F*CK UP GENERATIONS AND NOW WERE FINALLY SEEING THE CONSEQUENCES, JOB WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This guy is complete scum and should be relieved of his life by way of death and the cheaper the better.

 

[Softus]

Why on earth do we not have an application process for having children?

Because:

1. It would lead to many more abortions.
2. It would lead to more children being abandoned at birth - in order to escape prosecution.
3. It would lead to back-street midwifery.
4. The only penalties available (i.e. fine, or prison, community service) for breaking such a law would be more detrimental to the children than to the parents.

So I think it's a non-starter.

I'd be interested to know how many people ignored the warning signs of impending doom.

 

[wotan]

I've been shot down for this before, but screw it.

In this country, we need a licence to own a tv, use a car, own a gun, fly a plane, practice certain disiplines, ie medical, law etc etc.

Why on earth do we not have an application process for having children?

In my view its not a right, its a privilege. Criteria would be.

Income to support a child (not from state)
Can you provide a safe and SECURE enviroment.
Can you provide the mental stimluation required for adequete development
Can you provide love and time for the child.
Are you a mature/responsible/good character person?

All of this would just require a quick 20mins interview at the local council office, and the results would be far less kids living in poverty, far less kids being beat up, and far less kids flowwing their parents into a live of poverty, no hope and dispair.

I agree with everything you say, but I would go further, low interlects like these pair should be chemicaly castrated before they reach puberty, making it impossible for them to produce children.
It's all to easy to say their poor family life when they were children is to blame, not so, I firmly believe it's in the genes, maybe the quest for the superior race was right all along.

Wotan

 

[Shytalkz]

It would be a start if the state made it less financially appealing for these feckless turds to breed in the first place.

But then this is the country that gives down-and-outs money each week if they have a dog, so don't expect any sense in that department to shine through any time soon.

 

[2scoops0406]

And where precisely would you draw the line for this application process?

 

[r.bartlett]

I'd be interested to know how many people ignored the warning signs of impending doom.

"Lessons to be learnt"