upvc security

[Detlef]

I'm going to fit some upvc windows to my house,but I've been told that the best one's to fit are where the glazing bars are fitted to the inside,rather than externally .anyone have any ideas?

 

[breezer]

that is alegedly true.

it is supposed to be so you vcan not remove the "beading" and take the glass unit out.
trouble is they are usually stuck in with really strong double sided tape they wont come out any way.

if you are that worried have these down stairs and the other upstairs

 

[Thermo]

It makes little difference to a determined theif as there are several easy ways of getting the glazing out if yoy know how, but that will remain a secret. Personally i always go for timber. One of the security aspects is that if it is forced it will make a noise and burglars do not like noise as it draws attention to themselves. But each to their own

 

[JayS]

It makes little difference to a determined theif as there are several easy ways of getting the glazing out if yoy know how, but that will remain a secret. Personally i always go for timber. One of the security aspects is that if it is forced it will make a noise and burglars do not like noise as it draws attention to themselves. But each to their own

Thermo, which manufacturer's timber windows do find most secure? I'm looking at replacing my single glazed windows this summer, and there is no doubt I'll fit timber framed ones! So just curious really.

 

[chappers]

any decent upvc windows will have security fixings behind the beading whether fixed inside and out to prevent removal of the glazing, these can only be removed with the correct tool.

 

[Thermo]

chappers,
believe me there are a number of quick ways that glazing can be removed, especially with the implements mr burglar finds in a garden, garage etc, Ive saw quite a few done that way in my time as a plod. Its a personal opinion but i prefer timber and we always used to give the crime prevention advice along the lines i have, especially regarding the noise aspect.

Jays,
depends what you are after and how much you want to pay, but the majority of john carr, boulton paul jedd welden and premdoor windows are pretty good and well guarenteed. The security aspect is down to what you are prepared to pay really, they all do systems that are good, and all can be improved upon by spending a bit more money.

Horses for courses really

 

[chappers]

Would totally agree Termo theres little you can do to stop the determined burglar. I too as a builder know that most uPVC windows are easier to break into than timber but its all about putting more obstacles in the path of the burglar so hopefully he gives up before getting in.
I would always have timber anyway as uPVC is ugly and not very environmentaly freindly

 

[Thermo]

here here, it is the product of the devil, produced by his spawn to launch upon a gullible public of grannys and should know betters

 

[chappers]

Indeed people seal up their old victorian houses with these monstrosities and then wonder why the whole place becomes damp with condensation.
but remember no more painting etc. My a**e so your average house needs repainting every five years pay a painter to do it if you can't be a**ed yourself at say £1000 a time thats 20-25 years by which time your uPVC has gone all yellow or the mechanisms are not working or the glazing is all misted up so it all need replacing anyway.so it then gets bungen in landfill and never rots away.
You can keep it... rant....rant......rant....mutter....mutter

 

[IanDB]

Just for the hell of it....

I used to have a Victorian house. The guy before me had installed louvre windows. No condensation problems there it was like living in a bl**ding wind tunnel! It was also like having a big WELCOME sign for burglars (although they must have had bad eyesight at the time as I never got done). I had them all taken out and replaced with DG units (mind you thinking back they were ally not uPVC). Had central heating installed and it was great.

Moved to a new house with wooden frames and small multi pane DG units. Each frame has a ventilator above it that is not draught proof. I live in a fairly exposed area and when the wind blows you can feel the wind - back to square one? The DG units don't have a very big air gap so although they do the job they're not as good as what I'm used to. And I have to re-paint every three to four years -

I take your point though about uPVC and the environment but personally I'd go for them any day. My conservatory has been up for 7 years and looks as good as the day it was built (uPVC).

 

[masona]

The best way is hardwood DG unit and just wipe it with Tung Oil, so easy !
My Mum have 2 bay windows and take me about 20mins to do. Cost £6

 

[JayS]

Jays,
depends what you are after and how much you want to pay, but the majority of john carr, boulton paul jedd welden and premdoor windows are pretty good and well guarenteed. The security aspect is down to what you are prepared to pay really, they all do systems that are good, and all can be improved upon by spending a bit more money.

Horses for courses really

Thermo, Thanks for those names. I've been looking at these.

On the ventilation note. I really don't understand what goes on here... Of course you have to ventilate, but it has to be in the right place! Having draughty windows isn't the right place really...or is it??

 

[Thermo]

ventilation is needed to provide the air change in rooms for a numer of reasons, remove moisture, odurs, etc. If a house is double glazed, upvc door no airbricks etc etc then this becomes difficult. the occupants and the house can suffer because of this so a certain amount of draughts are needed. With most windows you can have trickle ventilators fitted. These are slots cut in the head section of the window that allow the movement of air in and out, but can be closed off if you need to. Another little thing to think about when choosing the windows.

 

[JayS]

Thermo, I agree with what you're saying completely. I just don't see the point in having draughty windows, the ventilation should be controlled.

 

[Thermo]

you get the control with trickle vents, you can open and shut them