Verandahs on sheds

[ban-all-sheds]

Does anybody know what the thinking is behind not allowing these (on a shed which otherwise ticks all the boxes for not needing PP)?

I know that to look for reason and logic in planning rules is frequently a good way to lose one's sanity, but I really do struggle to see how, as long as the total surface area covered is not too big, what reason(s) there could be for not allowing the roof and floor of a shed to be extended beyond one of the walls.

Is it that it doesn't count as a "verandah" if it isn't a "raised platform" more than 300mm high? (ISTR reading that somewhere, but can't find it.)

If I took this, for example (not that I'm going to):

and put a bit of decking, 100-150mm high in front of it, would that be a verandah?

When does a porch become a verandah?

 

[tony1851]

Does anybody know what the thinking is behind not allowing these (on a shed which otherwise ticks all the boxes for not needing PP)?

Why should sheds such as those not be p.d.?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Outbuildings

Planning Permission


Outbuildings are considered to be permitted development, not needing planning permission, subject to the following limits and conditions:

• No outbuilding on land forward of a wall forming the principal elevation.
• Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height of 2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched roof or three metres for any other roof.
• Maximum height of 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container within two metres of a boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse.
• No verandas, balconies or raised platforms.
• No more than half the area of land around the "original house"* would be covered by additions or other buildings.
• In National Parks, the Broads, Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty and World Heritage Sites the maximum area to be covered by buildings, enclosures, containers and pools more than 20 metres from house to be limited to 10 square metres.
• On designated land* buildings, enclosures, containers and pools at the side of properties will require planning permission.
• Within the curtilage of listed buildings any outbuilding will require planning permission.

 

[tony1851]

One suspects that it would be very hard for a LPA to object to one of the sheds
in the pics, solely on the inclusion of the veranda.

For example, what would be the difference between a canopy over a door (to keep the rain off) and a veranda?

The exclusion of 'veranda' is presumably to prevent the shed being used as some form of habitable room (because people often sit out on a veranda)
rather than a room incidental to the main dwelling.

Interesting point raised, though.

 

[big-all]

a veranda is a open area with a floor and roof
an overhanging roof is fine in my humble opinion
if you tried to say use decking to raise the outside level you should be fine at less than 300mm

i suspect the shed floor level will be a tad less to allow the shed to comply with the 2.5m rule and have a good head height

 

[tony1851]

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• tony1851
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[ban-all-sheds]

Indeed.

 

[geraldthehamster]

It's not saying that you can't have verandas, balconies or raised platforms *on* an outbuilding; it's saying that verandas, balconies or raised platforms are not permitted development *as* outbuildings.

See the mini guide:

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/outbuildings/miniguide

Slide 9.

Cheers
Richard

 

[tony1851]

Surely that can't be right because in that case you would not be allowed to have an open (but roofed) structure such as a 'gazebo' or 'summer house'?

It's just another example of the woolly terminology and muddled thinking that comes out of the Department of Communities and Local Government.
A very recent example of one of their c**k-ups was the Waltham Forest case, when the High Court rejected DCLG's definition of 'eaves' in relation to dormer conversions; this now means that hundred of loft conversions up and down the country are unlawful, even after following official Government advice.

 

[geraldthehamster]

Surely that can't be right because in that case you would not be allowed to have an open (but roofed) structure such as a 'gazebo' or 'summer house'?

I think it's just badly worded. Which is surprising since it's planning guidance.



Cheers
Richard

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It's not saying that you can't have verandas, balconies or raised platforms *on* an outbuilding; it's saying that verandas, balconies or raised platforms are not permitted development *as* outbuildings.

Ah - I see.

Never occurred to me that anybody would try to call anything like those "buildings".

 

[noseall]

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• tony1851
• 6 Nov 2013
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Big eaves or small veranda?

Neither, some chump has built the external wall in the wrong place!

 

[ban-all-sheds]

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