Hello, my hubby does this sort of thing for computers, I have been reading some of your posts - excellent stuff My problem is this - we live in a 60/70s timber frame ex council house. The downstairs loo waste pipe, instead of going out the back wall, seems to go right down into the floor. The toilet is older than me and needs replacing, preferably with a cheapie one but they all seem to have the waste that goes out the back, not down. Does this mean the pipe is in the concrete slab?? How on earth does one fit a modern toilet to this type of pipe, as the toilet is about a foot from the back wall and we could do with it being closer. Any advice you could give would be amazing - i have visions of our local plumber rubbing his hands in glee Hope this is enough information for you. Vix