Whats missing......? No seriously...?

[Rygel Dominar]

Guys can you just confim that these missing bits of floorboards should have been replaced with some new sections of pine planks with the same thickness and grade...

New flat who ever installed the new heating system butchered the old floor then juat walked away no idea what he did with the white bit aka photos just some radom bit of scrap wood he found which was rotten and falling apart it was like chipwood the cheap fake wood you get on kitchen cabinets definitely shouldn't have been uses to bare weight or am I wrong.

Why wouldn't you just screw the sections you removed back in...? Seriously asking what is the mentality here just to leave it like that?

Guess just some radom bit of wood he found lying around and thought he would just slap in instead of doing a proper job like who does that cowboys thats who...

Am I fair is saying thats bad as my washing machine goes ontop of that i understand that its mostly the joist that take the weight from the floor but aren't floorboards meant to then go ontop to spread the weight evenly?

Photos attached

 

[Wayners]

Wood can bust up when removing so you need to buy new timber and at the correct thickness.
Also need to add supports for floor or take up more to reach joists, plus you won't get the tongue and grove to lock together again. Some trades include the cost of chippy to fix after they have finished while other say that's down to customer to organise.

 

[Mottie]

Some trades include the cost of chippy to fix after they have finished while other say that's down to customer to organise.

Was it the previous owner who did that or is it a rental property? If rental, you should take it up with landlord.

 

[Rygel Dominar]

Wood can bust up when removing so you need to buy new timber and at the correct thickness.

I know this was caused by the who ever installed the new pipe for the boiler they didn't replace the floorboards instead hid it away under the sink and then used some what random white plank thats like rotten and not meant to be used like that.

Also need to add supports for floor or take up more to reach joists,

As you can see the joist running parallel in the bigger picture the angle for under the sink you cant see so but the joist are there

Some trades include the cost of chippy to fix

They guy who ripped them should have replaced them but the lanlord doesn't care and just covered over the issue with 6mm ply instead of using the same type aka thickness of pine floorboards and grade.

Again I've never seen tongue and groove floorboards in the uk or the new chipboard stuff in never builds this is jist plain old pine floorboards on joist.

I knew I was right just that shadowbof doubt and I needed more people advise input to confim that indeed they should have replaced the floorboards.

So thanks

 

[Rygel Dominar]

Was it the previous owner who did that or is it a rental property? If rental, you should take it up with landlord.

Rental I know its his job but I wanted more voices to confim that yeah floorboards had been ripped up and should have been replaced again with same thickness and grade of wood and not just covered over like most landlords they are cheap when it comes to materials and work or maintenance of their properties.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

Again I've never seen tongue and groove floorboards in the uk or the new chipboard stuff in never builds this is jist plain old pine floorboards on joist.

Well, my house is 1880s and has T&G flooring throughout, or did you mean timber yards? T&G is readily available, but for small repair pieces it is faster and easier to use square edge boards or plywood, and pack-up level from beneath, partly because you can struggle to find matching thickness boards off the shelf.

My own house has T&G boards which finish at 1-1/8in (circa 28.5mm) and that is not an off the shelf size in my area any more, so after we bought it, when I was going round making good all the "improvement works" done by plumbers and sparkies, I had to resort to lifting the horrible broken, often loose boards, adding extra 2 x 1in support strips to the sides of joists, then cutting and screwing 22mm plywood pieces over the holes. Fortunately I had some 22mm left over from a job, the floors were all being carpeted afterwards, and I wanted to ensure that if I ever needed to gain access I would only need to lift the carpet and unscrew the access hatch. So far that has only been necessary once, but I amkess than impressed by the tradesmen who thought it was OK to walk away from a job like this - it is such a common complaint

As an aside plumbing and heating contractors working on housing association and council housing often employ carpenters to follow their guys round making good the mess left by them. Based on seeing private lets locally, small landlords often seem to think this isn't necessary or is an unjustified on-cost (and in my area I find them very stingy when it comes to paying for even essential joinery repair work)

 

[Rygel Dominar]

Well, my house is 1880s and has T&G flooring throughout, or did you mean timber yards? T&G is readily available, but for small repair pieces it is faster and easier to use square edge boards or plywood, and pack-up level from beneath, partly because you can struggle to find matching thickness boards off the shelf.

My own house has T&G boards which finish at 1-1/8in (circa 28.5mm) and that is not an off the shelf size in my area any more, so after we bought it, when I was going round making good all the "improvement works" done by plumbers and sparkies, I had to resort to lifting the horrible broken, often loose boards, adding extra 2 x 1in support strips to the sides of joists, then cutting and screwing 22mm plywood pieces over the holes. Fortunately I had some 22mm left over from a job, the floors were all being carpeted afterwards, and I wanted to ensure that if I ever needed to gain access I would only need to lift the carpet and unscrew the access hatch. So far that has only been necessary once, but I amkess than impressed by the tradesmen who thought it was OK to walk away from a job like this - it is such a common complaint

As an aside plumbing and heating contractors working on housing association and council housing often employ carpenters to follow their guys round making good the mess left by them. Based on seeing private lets locally, small landlords often seem to think this isn't necessary or is an unjustified on-cost (and in my area I find them very stingy when it comes to paying for even essential joinery repair work)

The place is housing association okay i would have just used pine planks on this sections missing.

I thought you were referring to t&g chipboard flooring that seems alot of new builds are getting instead of planks again washing machine sits right ontop of that big whole and was covered over with 6mm ply but only as overboard for the vinyl sheet flooring to be neater so it has so strength to it at 6mm.

I'll also admit that I'm only learning due to having tix so many issues so I've learnt as I go so...

Again lanlord is housing association lanlord are awarre but choose to just ignore it and yeah they pretty bad tbh

Thanks for your inout yeah i would use anything less than 22mm to take weight not a washing machine I also have no idea how could the joist are as its all covered up now with vinyl.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

The place is housing association okay i would have just used pine planks on this sections missing.

Plywood (18 or 22mm) is a far better material, but from past personal experience on piblic housing can take a bit of arm twisting to get hold of

I thought you were referring to t&g chipboard flooring that seems alot of new builds are getting instead of planks again washing machine sits right ontop of that big whole and was covered over with 6mm ply but only as overboard for the vinyl sheet flooring to be neater so it has so strength to it at 6mm.

Chipboard is not an ideal material for repair work unless the repair pieces are pretty large and thr operstive can gield a plunge saw and rail IMHO - seen too many gash repairs with chipboard, but despite saying that it can be done right - but probsbly not by a lot of the guys they employ (they often pay lowish rates - I have to admit I only worked on that sort of stuff during recessions because the alternative was not working)

 

[Rygel Dominar]

Plywood (18 or 22mm) is a far better material

Like I said the 6mm ply put down wasn't to act as a semi replacement for the missing sections of floorboards but just as a flat overboard for the new vinyl flooring to lay ontop.

When I pointed out the whole to the lanlord they just ignored me and told the boys to carry on.

Again yes I would say no less than 22mm ply could be used ontop of joist to support the weight and I'm sure its been strength tested but I would have just replaced the planks and then overboarded as then the full joist is taking and even out the weight in that section instead of one little section.

With reference to the chipboard I know in some new builds or some other homes people now use high grade toungue and Grove chipboard as floorboards I have never came about this and have heard its a nightmare to then lift up again if you need to run new pipes and wires as its often glued and glued wrong also.

I'm aware that you can get toungue and Grove floorboard planks also but again this isn't what I have and have never seen it apart from a soild hard wood floor thats been polished sanded and stained mine are just plane planks nailed down to the joist with a few mm gabs all the way around as they aren't the finished floor that being either vinyl carpet or tile.

Anyway cheers for all the help I know they should have been replaced obviously if the property was mine I would have done it correctly.

6mm ply wood hasn't the strength to act as a poxy weight baring wood even I know that and I'm just a d.i.y guy how they can live with themselfs knowing they cut corners and lie is crazy it would be massively different if it was their homes but such is/are hypocrites

I would never use 6mm ply as a main support source over joist instead of floorboard / subfloor as 6mm is just to thin and can't take the weight especially in a kitchen as foot traffic is high and the most heavy items go in the there in most uk household eg cooker fridge (washing machine in the uk)

And I have 6mm apparently taking the weight of my washing machine now lovely

Its known to lift bow and buckle its merely a cosmetic ply used to level out the nip and dips over floorboards to have a flat surface for a finished floor

Mine is the last pic