wiring Spot lights in bathroom
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ceiling rose in a bathroom?
are they mains or Lv, under part p you shouldn't be looking in for reference
are they mains or Lv, under part p you shouldn't be looking in for reference
Although prior to 1981 a ceiling rose and drop cord was common in a bathroom, it is no longer acecptable in new installations. Look in the rose - is it ike one of the circuits in 'for reference?' at the top of the forum.
Basically your idea is correct, but realise that most roses in the UK are 'loop through' meaning boith steady and switched lives are present - so there may be more wires than you expect, and a joint box in the ceiling above may be required.
regards M.
PS
And yes under the new part P of building regs such work is notifiable to building control who will charge to infect your work, in the same way that replacing a window (part L), bathroom or kitchen sink or a WC (part H) is notifiable for inspection too.
Note that in the building and plumbing forums these rules are almost never mentioned. Part P is only mentioned because it is a brand new (and in my personal opinion un-needed) requirement.
(Every year 3000 car deaths, 600 murders 10 deaths from extension flexes and appliences 2.6 deaths from fixed wiring in the home - where is the money best spent. Only non-drivers who never use portable appliences will find their life expectancy significantly increased. Oh and don't smoke, whatever you do
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Basically your idea is correct, but realise that most roses in the UK are 'loop through' meaning boith steady and switched lives are present - so there may be more wires than you expect, and a joint box in the ceiling above may be required.
regards M.
PS
And yes under the new part P of building regs such work is notifiable to building control who will charge to infect your work, in the same way that replacing a window (part L), bathroom or kitchen sink or a WC (part H) is notifiable for inspection too.
Note that in the building and plumbing forums these rules are almost never mentioned. Part P is only mentioned because it is a brand new (and in my personal opinion un-needed) requirement.
(Every year 3000 car deaths, 600 murders 10 deaths from extension flexes and appliences 2.6 deaths from fixed wiring in the home - where is the money best spent. Only non-drivers who never use portable appliences will find their life expectancy significantly increased. Oh and don't smoke, whatever you do
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Particularly if de-greasing anything with trichloroethylene....mapj1 said:Oh and don't smoke, whatever you do
...and 120,000 die from smoking...mapj1 said:
mapj1 said:- where is the money best spent. Only non-drivers who never use portable appliences will find their life expectancy significantly increased. Oh and don't smoke, whatever you do
Indeed - to put it another way, the same number of people who die in a year from the things that Part P is designed to prevent, die from smoking every 35 minutes! And they say the Lottery is for those who are bad at maths - looks like politics is even more so... and of course Part P won't stop it happening, it just makes it illegal. So if a death occurs when Part P wasn't complied with, the one who did the work can be prosecuted for it. Terriffic.
(Sorry about the rant - it's a topic that gets right up my goat
)As a matter if interest, how do the deaths from extension flexes occur? Tripping over them, setting fire to them by overloading, shocks from loose wires, or something else?
Cheers,
Howard
Sorry, that's just electrical deaths from appliances, flexes and extension leads. (chafed cables under rugs/ trapped in door hinges/ live ends pulled off when fallen over.. not to mention the flex on the lawnmower/hedge clippers getting cut by its own appliance, you get the idea.)
They are far more dangerous that that of course, but the accident stats for falls don't separate people falling over cables, from those falling over bootlaces, or those trying to run downstairs with their trousers down or whatever. (perhaps after visiting TraineeSparks establishment ?)
One might expect part P to migrate more accidents onto the extension lead list, than it removes from the fixed wiring list, I predict this legislation would, if it were possible to enforce it, increase the number of fatal electrical related accidents by about 50%.
This is born out in the comparison of Australia and New Zealand, two countries with with identical wiring standards, but housholder wiring allowed only in new Zealand. Over the last 6 or 7 years, there have been on average 1.5 times as many accidents per million of population in Oz, where DIY wiring is not permitted than New Zealand where it is..
(see here )http://www.technicalregulator.sa.gov.au/public/electrical_gas_incidents/second_level/elec_fatal.html for example...
Note also that these are much higher than the levels we have here, where most electrical fatalities are not in the home at all.
Oddly, the international evidence was completely ignored by the legislators here, who think of Europe as foreign (which is also why we are not allowed RCD protected sockets in bathrooms, unlike the rest of the developed world except Malta and Ireland).
regards Mike.
PS sorry to hear about the goat. Perhaps he should take a holiday to NZ?
They are far more dangerous that that of course, but the accident stats for falls don't separate people falling over cables, from those falling over bootlaces, or those trying to run downstairs with their trousers down or whatever. (perhaps after visiting TraineeSparks establishment
?)One might expect part P to migrate more accidents onto the extension lead list, than it removes from the fixed wiring list, I predict this legislation would, if it were possible to enforce it, increase the number of fatal electrical related accidents by about 50%.
This is born out in the comparison of Australia and New Zealand, two countries with with identical wiring standards, but housholder wiring allowed only in new Zealand. Over the last 6 or 7 years, there have been on average 1.5 times as many accidents per million of population in Oz, where DIY wiring is not permitted than New Zealand where it is..
(see here )http://www.technicalregulator.sa.gov.au/public/electrical_gas_incidents/second_level/elec_fatal.html for example...
Note also that these are much higher than the levels we have here, where most electrical fatalities are not in the home at all.
Oddly, the international evidence was completely ignored by the legislators here, who think of Europe as foreign (which is also why we are not allowed RCD protected sockets in bathrooms, unlike the rest of the developed world except Malta and Ireland).
regards Mike.
PS sorry to hear about the goat. Perhaps he should take a holiday to NZ?
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