Wood paint (best, but for non experts :) ) - Gloss & Matt

[ClockPie]

Will need to paint a few things, skirting and shelves (probably gloss white) and some other bits (maybe matt white emulsion to match ceiling).

Last glossing we did we bought good gloss, but can't recall what, but it now looks a bit old and yellow in places.

I'm good DIYer but poor (and lazy) painter I guess. Don't need showroom perfection, house is 1930s and rustic, and pristine would look odd

So looking for the best compromise between good finishes and "easy" Can anyone recommend brands for gloss or white emulsion - and what undercoat/prep is advised now adays. (Or is one-coat gloss now the thing?)

Thank you

 

[Wayners]

Crown fast flow is a waterbased alkyd.
Being an alkyd it's said to be more like an oil based gloss.

I don't mind aqua gloss but you need to get plenty on so it levels without runs. I still get the old run but I know I'm right on it and not applying too thin.
Aqua gloss from Johnstones is an acrylic.

Both won't yellow

 

[michealangelo]

Will need to paint a few things, skirting and shelves (probably gloss white) and some other bits (maybe matt white emulsion to match ceiling).

Last glossing we did we bought good gloss, but can't recall what, but it now looks a bit old and yellow in places.

I'm good DIYer but poor (and lazy) painter I guess. Don't need showroom perfection, house is 1930s and rustic, and pristine would look odd

So looking for the best compromise between good finishes and "easy" Can anyone recommend brands for gloss or white emulsion - and what undercoat/prep is advised now adays. (Or is one-coat gloss now the thing?)

Thank you

Always undercoat

One coat finishes MAY cover ok in one coat .....possibly

But that doesn't mean an undercoat shouldn't be used first

A lot of paints say they are ONCE or SELF UNDERCOATING .....but I don't know any decorators that genuinely believe that nonsense

I know some people use two coats of satinwood over skirting, doors etc , the first one being the basecoat but generally an undercoat is an undercoat and a finishing coat a finishing coat ...in my old world

 

[Wayners]

One coat gloss has a thixotropic agent in and the data sheet says to apply undercoat where needed. Who reads that though so slap it on and hope for the best, after all ot says one coat paint.
Dot dot dot stuff! I hate it. Caused me so much trouble peeling off. Customer not happy. I used to use peel stop on some and get off what I could. Hours of unpaid work trying to deal with it so I could complete job and get paid.

 

[michealangelo]

One coat gloss has a thixotropic agent in and the data sheet says to apply undercoat where needed. Who reads that though so slap it on and hope for the best, after all ot says one coat paint.
Dot dot dot stuff! I hate it. Caused me so much trouble peeling off. Customer not happy. I used to use peel stop on some and get off what I could. Hours of unpaid work trying to deal with it so I could complete job and get paid.

It's dreadful stuff

I worked for a guy many years ago who made a killing just putting one coat of acrylic primer and an oil based satinwood on ....everything!

I cried to him till I was blue in the face that we should be doubling up that undercoat primer or doing 2 x satinwood....as a minimum ....and that when we were papering the finish looked terrible

But there you go

 

[ClockPie]

It's dreadful stuff

I worked for a guy many years ago who made a killing just putting one coat of acrylic primer and an oil based satinwood on ....everything!

I cried to him till I was blue in the face that we should be doubling up that undercoat primer or doing 2 x satinwood....as a minimum ....and that when we were papering the finish looked terrible

But there you go

Thanks for advice
So what products would you suggest?

 

[Odds]

I used 'Rainbow Chalk' one coat paint (cream) recently on old skirting boards and found it easy to apply, smooth finish with no fuss. Job done in under an hour. No need to prime on top of old paint, just a fine paper rub down to help it key to the surface.

 

[michealangelo]

Thanks for advice
So what products would you suggest?

I am back in the trade after many years away

The above suggestion by warners is one I have heard from other decorators ......crown fast flow gloss or if you are like me and hate gloss I think they do a satin , mid sheen finish .....or a johnstones aqua ....which is a pure acrylic paint , not a hybrid like the crown fasflow .....could be wrong

I would always undercoat even under these ...I think the crown trade site suggests an undercoat anyway ....some decorators double coat satinwood ..I don't with the old oil based paints ....undercoat , top coat ....and another top coat if needed

 

[michealangelo]

I used 'Rainbow Chalk' one coat paint (cream) recently on old skirting boards and found it easy to apply, smooth finish with no fuss. Job done in under an hour. No need to prime on top of old paint, just a fine paper rub down to help it key to the surface.

I notice that product about

The question is , is it going to be in good condition in 2 years or will it look tired ?

 

[Odds]

Well, i used the same product on skirting in a different room last year so i'll let you know in 12 months time, i suppose.

 

[sparkwright]

One coat gloss has a thixotropic agent in and the data sheet says to apply undercoat where needed. Who reads that though so slap it on and hope for the best, after all ot says one coat paint.
Dot dot dot stuff! I hate it. Caused me so much trouble peeling off. Customer not happy. I used to use peel stop on some and get off what I could. Hours of unpaid work trying to deal with it so I could complete job and get paid.

For years I have heard people say never use one coat gloss, or non-drip gloss, because it peels off.
I have NEVER experienced it.
Some of it's lasted almost 35 years, and not peeled.
Carpets have been laid, furniture brought in, people in and out.
Other rooms have been re-painted, no sign of peeling when sanding.
Am I doing something right?

 

[michealangelo]

For years I have heard people say never use one coat gloss, or non-drip gloss, because it peels off.
I have NEVER experienced it.
Some of it's lasted almost 35 years, and not peeled.
Carpets have been laid, furniture brought in, people in and out.
Other rooms have been re-painted, no sign of peeling when sanding.
Am I doing something right?

It's a DIY paint , if you are happy with your finish that's great but there is a reason why pro decorators don't tend to use it that often

If you undercoat then use that stuff it's going to give you a better finish than not undercoating

But I don't know any decorators who are trained and honest and reputable who would say to a customer yes put that on

I have put it on but insisted on applying an undercoat first

 

[michealangelo]

Well, i used the same product on skirting in a different room last year so i'll let you know in 12 months time, i suppose.

I bet you your house if you get two areas and paint one with that one coat product

And another with undercoat then that on top

The undercoated area will have a better , more durable finish , the top coat will last longer and look better ....that because the undercoat will do all the covering and sealing allowing the top coat to show off , as it were

No undercoat means a one coat product has to do more of a job and some of it is used up in doing the job of an undercoat

It's a simple process of paint science ......prime , undercoat , top coat

Paints that try and do it all , in one coat ......you may get lucky but in the trade you are looking to provide lasting work

 

[Wayners]

@sparkwright

Yeah. Your doing something right. Don't know what though.

 

[sparkwright]

@sparkwright

Yeah. Your doing something right. Don't know what though.

I put it down to sanding, I can imagine DIYers using Solo or Once may not be sanding.
Also, have used an undercoat with the above products.
When using white non-drip over existing old white gloss, have sanded, but not undercoated (except for damaged areas). Quick budget job.

Not sure if there is a fundamental difference between one-coat gloss and non-drip gloss.