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hi, with the bulbs out of the car does anyone know how you can tell the difference between a xenon and a normal headlight bulb/ ie-55w-60w.
halfords say you cant/ only by using them in the car ie-trial and error.
as in normal i mean standard bulbs for an 93 escort. regards.r.r.
 
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:) just an update/ ive sorted me problem out now, the xenon allthough hard to spot has a slight blue tint/ .[ when next to normal bulb in your hand ]. bulb,s in question were the -high performance headlight bulb, xenon gas- up to 50% brighter. and more costly. regards. r.r.
 
Thats not xenon bulbs, thats just brighter bulbs, with or with blue tint!
cost around £20 from halfords.
 
If you want proper HID xenon headlamps for your car, then will be looking at about £300 - £400 that is if there is either a manufacturer option or an after market factor. You cannot just change the bulbs.
 
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have to agrree.

xenon is actualy a gas. in order for it to "light" you have to pass a very high voltage through it (thousands) so changing a lamp to a xenon lamp is not possible becuse in your case it will still only have 12 volt supply

xenon when lit is white.

you prob;y know it better as a flash, as in camera flash.

a lot of lamps are sold as xenon lamps when they are not
 
HID Xenon lights and plain Xenon blubs are two different things.

Xenon bulbs are just a step up from Halogen blubs. HID are a different kettle of fish altogether (these are so much brighter that new cars fitted with them must also have automatic headlamp levellers fitted by law - to avoid dazzling people when you have a boot full of ...)
 
you can get kits to convert any car to HID.

im currently waiting for mine to arrive.
 
Weston lighthouse could be for sale - do you a nice little deal, you seem ready for it.. :D
 
lol....not much space left in the engine bay for a lighthouse.

i got the HID kit tonight BTW.

easy to fit and is a vast improvement. little or no scatter of the beam and the cutouts are as before so i dont think im going to blind anyone.

we shall see how many oncoming cars flash me in the next few weeks.
 
Stivino said:
It's not the brightness that makes people flash, it's the aim.

clever lad...read my post again as thats what i said :rolleyes:
 
Conversions may only be 'off road' legal...

Autobulbsdirect FAQ for their conversion kit said:
Are these HID systems road legal?
Aftermarket HID systems are not road legal due to the fact you cannot 'E' mark a bulb that is of different type to the bulb it is replacing (ie HID for halogen). Therefore we can only sell these as off road use conversions.
Compare to alleged DOT email later.

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Apparently an email from Department for Transport
Found here Click for Source Post by Chas 20-12-2006, 01:14 PM

December 2006

Aftermarket HID headlamps

In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.



If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:

Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street Telephone: 020 7944 2078
London Fax: 020 7944 2196
SW1P 4DR Email: [email protected]

Blimey is this a grey area, not according to the email - if valid - But I see suppliers touting conversions as legal.

:confused:
 
seems pretty straight forward.

my converted lights are definately illegal then :LOL:

interesting though that my car has headlight levelling, although it is not automatic. it is also broken and i dont intend to fix it. the reason i mention it however is the chance that i could convert a set of lights for a new car into mine. its been done before and it would then meet all of the listed criteria i think.

at the moment it would take me all of 5 mins to change my lights back to H1 halogens for the MOT, and now that i have adjusted my lights for the new bulbs which have a very slightly different beam pattern they are not dazzling anyone any more than normal lights do.
 
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