A Reform party in power would make NHS insurance based USA system

interesting how you believe the NHS is widely inefficient but you want an American insurance based system which is 2.5x more expensive.

It’s no surprise you are a Reform supporter
So it the American system, or our system.
All countries on earth use one or the other.
There's nothing in between?
Is that what you believe?
 
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I don't care what system is in as long as it gets run more efficient less penpushers freeing up the money for what it's actually intended for and stays free at point of use for the public
 
interesting how you believe the NHS is widely inefficient but you want an American insurance based system which is 2.5x more expensive.

It’s no surprise you are a Reform supporter
The NHS clearly isn't working in its current form, and just throwing more money at it isn't going to fix it. The current model doesn't work and is only going to get worse as the population ages and health technology continually improves, keeping people alive for longer at an ever increasing cost.

It's not a binary choice though. There are different solutions other than the NHS model or the American system and i don't think its right to pillory people for exploring alternatives.

Unfortunately, the cult of the NHS and hatred of private healthcare has become a political tool for the left to attack the right with. Shutting down the debate does nobody any favours.
 
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The NHS clearly isn't working in its current form, and just throwing more money at it isn't going to fix it. The current model doesn't work and is only going to get worse as the population ages and health technology continually improves, keeping people alive for longer at an ever increasing cost.

It's not a binary choice though. There are different solutions other than the NHS model or the American system and i don't think its right to pillory people for exploring alternatives.

Unfortunately, the cult of the NHS and hatred of private healthcare has become a political tool for the left to attack the right with. Shutting down the debate does nobody any favours.
What Reform want to do regards the NHS and the welfare state is what I will ultimately cast my vote on and masses of us will do so based on the same.

If the NHS and welfare state go and we still have a monarchy, I see us returned to little more than a feudal system of paupers and kings.

The family silver has been sold off in the UK and very little remains, the NHS is still under public ownership. If one wants a two tier system of NHS for the poor and private for the rich we will have made zero progress in wealth or health equality.
 
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Nigel Farage wants an American insurance based healthcare system.

Here he is last Sunday saying so on LBC

Nigel Farage Says He Is ‘Open to Anything’ When It Comes to Replacing NHS With ‘Insurance-Based Model’​

It’s the latest hint that Reform UK would privatise the NHS


As you know Notch, the NHS and Welfare State is my bottom line. Which is why I want the SDP to rise up in a significant way as an alternative to Labour. I cannot throw my weight behind the current Labour configuration as it stands.
 
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What Reform want to do regards the NHS and the welfare state is what I will ultimately cast my vote on and masses of us will do so based on the same.

If the NHS and welfare state go and we still have a monarchy, I see us returned to little more than a feudal system of paupers and kings.

The family silver has been sold off in the UK and very little remains, the NHS is still under public ownership. If one wants a two tier system of NHS for the poor and private for the rich we will have made zero progress in wealth or health equality.
What do you think Reform want to do to the NHS?

This is what it says on their website

CRITICAL REFORMS NEEDED IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS:
End Doctor and Nurse Shortages
All frontline NHS and social care staff to pay zero basic rate tax for 3 years. This will help retain existing staff and attract many who have left to return.
End training caps for all UK medical students.
Write off student fees pro rata per year over 10 years of NHS service for all doctors, nurses and medical staff.
Use Independent Healthcare Capacity. We will harness independent and not-for-profit health provision in the UK and overseas.
Tax Relief of 20% on all Private Healthcare and Insurance. This will improve care for all by relieving pressure on the NHS. Those who rely on the NHS will enjoy faster, better care. Independent healthcare capacity will grow rapidly, providing competition and reducing costs.

Thereafter:
Put Patients in Charge With a New NHS Voucher Scheme. NHS Patients will receive a voucher for private treatment if they can’t see a GP within 3 days.
For a consultant it would be 3 weeks. For an operation, 9 weeks. Services will always be free at the point of use.
Improve Efficiency. Cut Waste and Unnecessary Managers. Operating theatres must be open on weekends. Rotas must be planned further in advance.
Nail down better prices using economies of scale.
Review all NHS Private Finance Contracts for significant savings potential.
Charge those who fail to attend medical appointments without notice.
Abolish the NHS Race and Health Observatory.
Save A&E- Cut waiting times with a campaign of ‘Pharmacy First, GP Second, A&E Last’. We will offer tax incentives for new pharmacies and those who employ more staff to assist in relieving pressure
on A&E.

I don't translate that into the NHS being sold off. I translate that into allowing private care providers to supplement the NHS.
 
The private healthcare industry is already making a profit from the areas in which the NHS is slacking.


I think this is the wrong approach, much better to increase taxes on the private healthcare sector and reinvest that money back into the NHS. That's what a proper labour government would do.
 
What do you think Reform want to do to the NHS?

This is what it says on their website



I don't translate that into the NHS being sold off. I translate that into allowing private care providers to supplement the NHS.
See my posts at the beginning of the thread.

It is a way of creating a two tier healthcare system. NHS for those who cannot afford to go private. Private for those who can afford it. We are dividing up people into haves and have nots based on affordability. It is feudal.

The NHS does need reform. The government need to restructure it and slimline it. It doesn't need to be turned into a two tier system imho.
 
See my posts at the beginning of the thread.

It is a way of creating a two tier healthcare system. NHS for those who cannot afford to go private. Private for those who can afford it. We are dividing up people into haves and have nots based on affordability. It is feudal.

The NHS does need reform. The government need to restructure it and slimline it. It doesn't need to be turned into a two tier system imho.
With the exception of a tax reduction on private healthcare, i don't see anything in there that splits healthcare into the haves and have nots any more that it already is. They explicitly say that 'services will always be free at the point of use'.

As long as quality healthcare is provided in a timely manner for free, why is it so important that the NHS provides it? GP's aren't NHS employees....
 
With the exception of a tax reduction on private healthcare, i don't see anything in there that splits healthcare into the haves and have nots any more that it already is. They explicitly say that 'services will always be free at the point of use'.

As long as quality healthcare is provided in a timely manner for free, why is it so important that the NHS provides it? GP's aren't NHS employees....
I didn't say anything about GPs. I am well aware they aren't NHS employees. They should be, my experience of them is they are writers of prescriptions and little else and pretty much a union in of themselves albeit private. I don't go unless I absolutely have to.

You are welcome to your opinion as I am mine.
 
I didn't say anything about GPs. I am well aware they aren't NHS employees. They should be, my experience of them is they are writers of prescriptions and little else and pretty much a union in of themselves albeit private. I don't go unless I absolutely have to.

You are welcome to your opinion as I am mine.
Agree 100% that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and just because i might not agree with it doesn't make it wrong for someone else to have a differing opinion.

Going back to my other point, why is it so important that free healthcare is provided solely by the NHS and not private organisations?
 
Agree 100% that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and just because i might not agree with it doesn't make it wrong for someone else to have a differing opinion.

Going back to my other point, why is it so important that free healthcare is provided solely by the NHS and not private organisations?
I don't mind people having bigger houses than others, more disposable income than others, a better model of car, more foreign holidays, being able to shop at Waitrose rather than Lidl. Do you get my drift? What I do mind is people not being able to access healthcare in either a timely fashion or at a good standard based on affordability. I'm afraid you will not change my mind on this. I shall leave it there. If Nigel wants a big chunk of us from the centre left to vote for him, he will need to change his stance on the NHS imho.
 
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