£1600 per month basic income

[Deleted member 221031]

Countries with Universal Basic Income 2023

I didn’t know it was such a big thing!

 

[Justin Passing]

Yes it's just Iran.
apart form a load of "experiments" and small value schemes.
Edit: I have no idea how much they get, in Iran!

Found it, 29 percent of the median household income on average.

 

[Justin Passing]

If Norway you have to be "seeking work" - seems familiar.


"Tailing it off" for those earning more is a real difficulty, so the Standard Model recoups it in taxes. So we get back where we started but with lots of unfairnesses, and "printed money" in circulation.

 

[Ihavenojob]

My take on it is that you are guaranteed £1600 a month. If you have no job, you get £1600 a month, if you earn £1000, you get £600, if you earn £1500 you get £100, if you earn £1600 or above, you don't get anything. I wonder if pensioners would get the £1600 a month?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

My take on it is that you are guaranteed £1600 a month. If you have no job, you get £1600 a month, if you earn £1000, you get £600, if you earn £1500 you get £100, if you earn £1600 or above, you don't get anything. I wonder if pensioners would get the £1600 a month?

If it works like that I can't see it working. Why go to work if you can't earn more than just sitting at home

 

[denso13]

My take on it is that you are guaranteed £1600 a month. If you have no job, you get £1600 a month, if you earn £1000, you get £600, if you earn £1500 you get £100, if you earn £1600 or above, you don't get anything.

Not according to the report, it isn't means tested, everyone gets it.

 

[Justin Passing]

It's dumb. If we got that, it would just go into the bank, less a chunk back to HMG. Same for several others here I daresay. Pointless.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I have been banging on about this for years.
I was born in 1960.
I clearly recall , when I was about ten years old, general talk at home, school and TV (Tomorrow’s World for example) was that increasing technology, automation and labour saving devices would decrease the need for work, allowing us all to benefit from greater free time.

To a point, this has come to pass. But the assumption was that tge free time would not be associated with little or no income. The benefits of this technology has largely benefitted the wealthy and super rich.
Before everystarts saying tgat those rich technologists have earns their fortune - consider that it would have been impossible without the efforts of the previously employed, but now redundant workforce.

I suppose the following point is sort of connected to yours. There was supposed to be a 'trickle down' effect with the wealth generated through capitalist endeavours. However that part of the model didn't really come to pass ... funny that.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

If everyone was entitled to this amount half the population wouldn’t want to work.

I would! I'd want earn more to add more glitz to my lifestyle.

Thanks Quote

 

[denso13]

It's dumb

Yes, it is. It is unaffordable. It is a proposition from an independent body who admit they are trying to make a political point.

It isn't a real policy proposal, it won't happen.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

It’s a worldwide test apparently. Add that into 15 minute cities and what have you got ?

 

[fillyboy]

If everyone was entitled to this amount half the population wouldn’t want to work.

If you take into account automation, artificial intelligence and any number of efficiencies introduced in the next 10-20 years, half the population won't need to work or won't have a job even if they wanted to work.

 

[gant]

It’s a worldwide test apparently. Add that into 15 minute cities and what have you got ?

Communism?
Scotland likes to be ahead of the curve on these sort of things.

Scottish Labour unveils policy to sell empty homes for £1

The move is part of measures to increase home ownership.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Odds]

Yeah I thought I’d read about that too.

My take on it was, it’s got to be for the unemployed ? You can’t give it to somebody already on 35k

If everyone was entitled to this amount half the population wouldn’t want to work.

One of the things a retired person finds is having all that spare time weighs heavy of a morning when they get up with nothing to do. The days are loooong and the only thing to look forward to is the crossword til Tipping Point...unless you have a hobby. Back in the day it was a huge problem but with the rise of the internet and all kinds of ways to enjoy all that spare time it can be much easier. If you're younger, it's much easier to become immersed in things that interest you, with a little self-motivation you can find the freedom to live a fulfilling life.
I suppose there's always going to be the feckless few who don't want to work, but i think the majority will want to do something with their days.
Arts and Crafts, for instance, have become hugely popular in recent years: who'd have thought 'The Repair Shop' would become so popular on primetime telly? Giving people the ways and means to make something of their lives and they will prosper.
The best example i can think of is the guy who founded Ecotricity. He set up a simple wind turbine on top of his beat up caravan, took the idea to investors and turned it into a billion dollar company: who's to say someone on a UI scheme couldn't come up with a simple idea and turn it into something to benefit the community and the environment?
Take away the principle cause of crime; poverty, and you reduce the number of police on the street, fewer people requiring hospital treatment, easing the mental health burden on the NHS - it won't be Utopia but it'd be a start to finding some solutions to the problems society is facing these days.

 

[gant]

Or for those who haven't an artistic bent they could have more time and funding to make a nusience of themselves in all sorts of nefarious ways.