Do they?I think that the USA does have a 120-0-120 system using two phases for larger houses.
Or do they have a single-phase 3-wire supply?
Or shall we not go there again?
Do they?I think that the USA does have a 120-0-120 system using two phases for larger houses.
Like an electron it is just a phase he is going throughOr shall we not go there again?
And the 240V to 120V transformers don't get nicked because they are so bloody heavy! I once did my back in trying to life one (incorrectly, it has to be said, by bending forward).
Our 240V system is (in most places*) part of a larger 415V 3 phase system. Along a street, there will be a 3phase and neutral cable - and each house will get a single phase and neutral tapped from it. There are significant benefits - not least the saving in copper by being able to share a single neutral between all the devices.so then, how come 240v is not ....120 - 0 - 120 ??
Would that not be safer in our homes???
In country's with 120v is it the same setup or the same as our 240v?
Actually, they use a split phase system which is not the same thing. In effect, they have a 220V supply with the centre tap of the transformer secondary supplied as the neutral. Large loads are connected across the two hot wires (for 220V), while most loads are connected between one hot and neutral.I think that the USA does have a 120-0-120 system using two phases for larger houses.
Along a street, there will be a 3phase and neutral cable - and each house will get a single phase and neutral tapped from it. There are significant benefits - not least the saving in copper by being able to share a single neutral between all the devices..
hence in 110 volt countries these are very common.
What - dustbins stuck up telegraph poles?
Going back to 110V there used to be parts of the UK where this was the LV voltage (Blackpool being one of them)
If the 3 phases were "all the same" then you would be right. However, 3 phase is more complicated than that - as already said, the voltages are not "in phase" with each other and the end result is to reduce the neutral current.Tech question here then as what you say has got my brain working for the first time in a while ! (interested basically and totally off topic with my original question)
So on a average street there is 3 phases and a neutral . My question is - is that neutral cable the same size as the phase cables ?
If i had a 3 phase supply then should the neutral be 3 times the size as the 3 phases coming into the property? (i think it 3 wires in total isnt it?)
Well, in most uses of T&E, the power for the device goes out along the live wire, and returns along the neutral wire - so the currents are exactly the same. There are instances (lighting circuits) where there may be more than one live feed, but sharing a common neutral - and for those, the neutral would (in theory) need to be larger (in practice, the conductor sizes are more likely to be determined by the type/rating of the circuit protection and there'd be no practical scope for using reduced live conductor sizes).If no then how come 2.5mm twin+earth as a example, how come the neutral is the same size as the live?
Unfortunately not all equipment follows themThat's why there are strict regs on the current waveforms allowed to be drawn by equipment.
Correct me if I am wrong, will delta star transformation will also come into it?Similarly HV cable and lines are only the 3 phases without a neutral as they are usually well balanced.
Correct me if I am wrong, will delta star transformation will also come into it?Similarly HV cable and lines are only the 3 phases without a neutral as they are usually well balanced.
For example L1 on the LV side is derived from L1 and L2 on the HV side so the L1 (LV) ends up something like 60° out of phase from the L1 on the HV side?
Yes indeed.Unfortunately not all equipment follows themThat's why there are strict regs on the current waveforms allowed to be drawn by equipment.
I guess there are a lot of points where that takes place, and I was thinking about this only the other day - but don't ask me how my rambling excuse for a mind got onto it As long as all circuits have the same combination or aren't part of any loop, then it shouldn't matter. So I know that (for example) the 132kV system has loops and redundant paths - but since there won't (I assume) be any star-delta transformations within it then that won't matter. I assume star-delta only happens between the 11kV and 415V parts, and there won't be loops in the 415V network so even if two transformers are setup differently then that won't matter (it would only matter if someone decided to take supplies from two different substations and try to connect them At the generator end, they are all spurs - so again it won't matter what happens before the final grid connection.Correct me if I am wrong, will delta star transformation will also come into it?
For example L1 on the LV side is derived from L1 and L2 on the HV side so the L1 (LV) ends up something like 60° out of phase from the L1 on the HV side?
Yes, distribution transformers are usually Delta/Star. But the phase shift is 30 deg not 60. Depending on whether the transformer is Dyn1 or Dyn11 will decide on whether that is +30deg or -30deg from the primary.
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