Thanks for that but that means nothing to me sorry. If I am going out by 3.6 meters and the outer wall it going to standard french door height and it starts 16.5 bricks up from the door level how can I work the pitch. This is another issue because on the drawings he wanted me to have 3 coarse of brick on the projected wall but that would give me a 12.5 degree pitch so I am now putting the rafters staight on to the catnic (wall plate). So I can hope to get 15 or more degrees for the velux windows.